Mack Brown gone - will not return after 2024 season

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Our OL absolutely stinks except 1 or 2 guys. We had a fairly high 4 star OL recruit from Tenn. 2 or 3 years ago, plus a 5 star 2 years ago. There are always a few busts in every recruiting class. Either we have gotten every single bust the last 3 or 4 years, or something is terribly wrong.

Aren't we starting a huge but slow and ineffective transfer from N. Texas that never played a down there?
 
and you think our next coach will be more successful than Mack Brown has been since he returned to UNC. I have 100 years of history that says he will not. What do you have to say the next coach will ?
Mack 2.0's winning percentage is right on top of our historical average. So I don't think it's a stretch to think a new coach could do that. And since nobody wants to play for Mack anymore it's unlikely he'll be able to hit that average going forward. Not to mention nobody wants to watch Mack coach at UNC any longer, so if you want revenue then it's time to move on as well.
 
The good players would have left.
Maybe. Would have been more productive to try to attract a quality coach with a chance to keep a talented roster in place than watch Mack foul it up and leave the cupboard completely bare regardless.
 
Mack said today in his press conference he intends to come back next year. Even if he has big donors in his corner does that offset the cratering of attendance next year?
Mack's calling card has been recruiting. That's in the toilet, partly because of the product on the field and partly due to his age. I don't see how the portal will save him. NIL is not in good shape to attract the best portal targets and more than likely any transfers will be similar to what we got this year, OL that didn't play at their previous school and former 5 star TE's that haven't produced in their previous two stops. We do have a visit set up with a Division II TE who had 18 catches this past season.
 
Mack 2.0's winning percentage is right on top of our historical average. So I don't think it's a stretch to think a new coach could do that. And since nobody wants to play for Mack anymore it's unlikely he'll be able to hit that average going forward. Not to mention nobody wants to watch Mack coach at UNC any longer, so if you want revenue then it's time to move on as well.
With the exception of Mack Brown 1.0 (61% ) and Dick Crum (63% ), Mack Brown 2.0 (58%) has the highest winning% of any coach since 1959.

Again I am no big Mack Brown fan and have no problem replacing him, but to think the next coach will be anymore successful argues against 100 years of history.

On the other hand maybe this will be the year that Lucy doesn't pull the football away when Charlie Brown tries to kick it...
 
He has 288 wins . If we can beat ncst and win our bowl game. He would only be 10 wins away for 300.

Given his history of being the winningest coach in UNC history and winningest active coach in the NCAA today, why not give him another two seasons to reach 300 ?

Only 5 coaches have won 300 games:

Joe Paterno
Bobby Bowden
Bear Bryant
Pop Warner
Amos Alonzo Stagg

We have never been a football school, but being only one of 6 coaches to win 300 games would add a bit of luster to our mediocre football history.
You could have saved some keystokes by typing, "I am an idiot and everyone can safely ignore my posts on this thread."
 
If Mack comes back next year, he's gonna spend every home game wistful for the 1997 dook crowd that supposedly upset him so much.
 
With the exception of Mack Brown 1.0 (61% ) and Dick Crum (63% ), Mack Brown 2.0 (58%) has the highest winning% of any coach since 1959.

Again I am no big Mack Brown fan and have no problem replacing him, but to think the next coach will be anymore successful argues against 100 years of history.

On the other hand maybe this will be the year that Lucy doesn't pull the football away when Charlie Brown tries to kick it...
But you have to agree that Mack Brown in 2025 is not the same coach as even Mack Brown in 2019. Right? So using his historical average is misleading. Next year is what counts.

Most wars in history have been won using swords. That doesn’t mean in the next war to break out in 2024 they are going to work.
 
With the exception of Mack Brown 1.0 (61% ) and Dick Crum (63% ), Mack Brown 2.0 (58%) has the highest winning% of any coach since 1959.

Again I am no big Mack Brown fan and have no problem replacing him, but to think the next coach will be anymore successful argues against 100 years of history.

On the other hand maybe this will be the year that Lucy doesn't pull the football away when Charlie Brown tries to kick it...
You are right about one thing, the next coach is likely to not do very well since Mack will be leaving behind a dumpster fire. Otherwise Mack 2.0 has been average at best and when you combine the talent advantage we had at the most important position on the field and the weak schedules it isn't pretty. But hey I'm sure if we give him two more years it will get better!
 
and you think our next coach will be more successful than Mack Brown has been since he returned to UNC. I have 100 years of history that says he will not. What do you have to say the next coach will ?
Maybe he will be. Maybe he won’t be. But it’s time to find out.

I mean, you could have said the same thing about Dick Crum in 1987.
 
With the exception of Mack Brown 1.0 (61% ) and Dick Crum (63% ), Mack Brown 2.0 (58%) has the highest winning% of any coach since 1959.

Again I am no big Mack Brown fan and have no problem replacing him, but to think the next coach will be anymore successful argues against 100 years of history.

On the other hand maybe this will be the year that Lucy doesn't pull the football away when Charlie Brown tries to kick it...
The question isn’t whether the next coach will be more successful that Mack 2.0 has been. The question is whether that new coach will likely be more successful than Mack Brown would be in seasons to come.
 
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5-8 wins either
Maybe. Would have been more productive to try to attract a quality coach with a chance to keep a talented roster in place than watch Mack foul it up and leave the cupboard completely bare regardless.
5-8 wins regardless!
 
We're in a tough, tough situation.

UNC has a 73 year old HOF coach whom everyone in college football (including our big donors) adores. But...
Mack clearly missed his moment in 2.0 by failing to capitalize on the Orange Bowl season, failing to develop the players in the early recruiting classes, and the recent mediocrity notwithstanding 5 straight years of an NFL QB as our signal caller.

Now, UNC is left to plod along until Mack wants to leave. For different reasons than late Fedora, no talented recruit is going to give us a 2nd look and we don't have the NIL money to simply purchase a team. Fan interest next season will be very low and expect to see lots of blue seats on our noon CW games. This will add to recruits avoiding us. To add final insult to injury our in state rival has owned us.

Classic loop of doom.
 
I don't watch a lot of UNC football games any more, but isn't a big part of the problem simply effort? The players don't play hard. They aren't physical. One would think that a different coach could improve on that.
 
I don't watch a lot of UNC football games any more, but isn't a big part of the problem simply effort? The players don't play hard. They aren't physical. One would think that a different coach could improve on that.
We’re typically poorly prepared and we have significant trouble giving consistent effort for multiple games in a row. Off the top of my head, we’ve lost at least 10 games as double digit home/netrual favorites in the last 5 years. I think everyone that watches football consistently knows we’re one of the bottom 5 coached teams in the p4
 
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