MAGA - The family impact

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TarHeelGrad said:
My mom died about 20 years ago, but she was Democrat. I'm pretty sure that my Dad was as well. My dad re-married and his wife is definitely a conservative and a "reluctant" Trump supporter. She commented earlier in the year that she couldn't stand Trump, but simply couldn't vote for Biden. "If the Democrats had nominated virtually anybody else..." I'm sure that this will come as a total shock, but when Harris got the nod, needless to say she didn't switch her vote. We basically don't speak to each other. One of the those people who led a wild life growing up, found Jesus, and then gets all judgy on other people now.
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I never understand this statement.

In a direct comparison what issue or concern over Biden/Democrat, that would make someone willing to support a person they admittedly can't stand.
 
UNCatTech said:
I never understand this statement.

In a direct comparison what issue or concern over Biden/Democrat, that would make someone willing to support a person they admittedly can't stand.
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Beyond being a way to not take responsibility for their vote, I think there are a good number of Pubs who don't like Trump's personal life or his more extreme behavior, but are perfectly fine with the actions he wants to take if put into office.

For a lot of these folks, I think it's the presentation rather than the substance they don't like.
 
SnoopRob said:
Beyond being a way to not take responsibility for their vote, I think there are a good number of Pubs who don't like Trump's personal life or his more extreme behavior, but are perfectly fine with the actions he wants to take if put into office.

For a lot of these folks, I think it's the presentation rather than the substance they don't like.
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Or, in the alternative, it's the presentation they like. Maybe they love that he calls everyone names, feels unencumbered by norms and thus lets his true self show. There's also been a social component to MAGA since the beginning. In a sense, Trump's rally tour is like a weird, unentertaining, sober Grateful Dead tour.
 
Zoo_View said:
What if he’s the one doing the threatening?
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Would depend on who and why, but he's very peaceful when not deployed. I just can't agree with much of his politics. He does still have great vision and that's probably why when he left and went DOJ, he joined HRT. Regardless, it would just depend.
 
superrific said:
Or, in the alternative, it's the presentation they like. Maybe they love that he calls everyone names, feels unencumbered by norms and thus lets his true self show. There's also been a social component to MAGA since the beginning. In a sense, Trump's rally tour is like a weird, unentertaining, sober Grateful Dead tour.
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I'm specifically speaking about the folks who take tack of "I don't like Trump, but...". In my experience, these tend to be either the white collar business or the very Christian types.

I agree that for the more hardcore MAGA folks, the presentation is certainly a major draw.
 
Haven't talked to my uncle since early 2021. We were going to California and, since he's single and never leaves his house, he was our designated dog babysitter. I called him to ask if he could watch our dogs for a long weekend. He lost his mind (because we were going to CA), yelled something at me and hung up. Haven't talked to him since.
 
donbosco said:
Rural NC born and raised but my Deddy was a New Deal Democrat through and through and while my Momma was a Boll Weevil and not really very down with liberal FDR-spirited policies, they both were strongly anti-republican and thus never split their vote. They were apparently somewhat suspicious about that just the same because they always went into the voting booth together to mark their ballots. My Deddy was a real policy wonk and followed the news religiously. They both frequented Democratic Party rallies and gatherings with great reliability. Deddy's business partner for many years was the NC 4th District Congressman and he was at the house often. My Momma had his home number and would call him up to talk education legislation, which was her only really liberal interest.

We lost my brother to Jesse Helms and he remains a republican and a trumper last I heard. He and I don't talk. He also went to Carolina and is a big sports fan and from time to time if I find myself in the same space as him I'll try to talk hoops. Doherty's right-wing nuttiness and Coach Williams' open support of Democratic candidates and policies have kind of made that topic a bit touchy. No way we could talk about Coach Smith's Left-of-Center politics (though my brother once loved that about Coach).

When my Deddy was in his last hours of life he pulled me close and said to me, "You've got to vote every time...cancel out your brother."
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Wouldn't it be interesting if I were to find out that my brother is so Republican that he's a "Never Trumper!"
 
donbosco said:
Rural NC born and raised but my Deddy was a New Deal Democrat through and through and while my Momma was a Boll Weevil and not really very down with liberal FDR-spirited policies, they both were strongly anti-republican and thus never split their vote. They were apparently somewhat suspicious about that just the same because they always went into the voting booth together to mark their ballots. My Deddy was a real policy wonk and followed the news religiously. They both frequented Democratic Party rallies and gatherings with great reliability. Deddy's business partner for many years was the NC 4th District Congressman and he was at the house often. My Momma had his home number and would call him up to talk education legislation, which was her only really liberal interest.

We lost my brother to Jesse Helms and he remains a republican and a trumper last I heard. He and I don't talk. He also went to Carolina and is a big sports fan and from time to time if I find myself in the same space as him I'll try to talk hoops. Doherty's right-wing nuttiness and Coach Williams' open support of Democratic candidates and policies have kind of made that topic a bit touchy. No way we could talk about Coach Smith's Left-of-Center politics (though my brother once loved that about Coach).

When my Deddy was in his last hours of life he pulled me close and said to me, "You've got to vote every time...cancel out your brother."
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My one sibling of three that went MAGA has two kids . They be DEMS
 
My parents both supported 45 in 2016, and in 2020. It was to the point that we couldn't talk about anything political. I actually had to go over after Biden was announced as the winner to calm my dad down, with him thinking we were about to become a socialist hellhole ("Dad, Biden is a centrist's centrist's centrist. That's why the Dems pushed Bernie out, because he couldn't win. The Republicans still have the Senate, you don't have to worry about anything"). It was the first time I'd been able to reach him.

This time, it's different. Both of my folks "say" they won't vote for 45. They think he's too old and they see Vance for what he is (aka--"snake in the grass"). It's nice to be able to speak about these topics with them again and have conversations about topics that were taboo for nearly a decade. But, they say they can't vote for Kamala because of "reasons." I will take another chance at at convincing them she's the lesser of two evils, and that it's ok to vote for her, because the only way they're going to get their Republican Party back is to burn it to the ground in an election cycle. They understand their party is dead. That to be a Republican in political power means fealty to 45. And they hate that. They want their "country club GOP" back. Mom is more rational when it comes to politics, but still wants her old structure back. She's scared to death of Robinson and what he'd do to the state.

I've told my dad to his face, with mom in the same room, that if he dies before she does, I'll cry and be upset, and in the first moment of clarity I have that I'm coming over to their house, going into the garage, putting a ladder up, taking down the "Law and Order for Trump" sign he still hangs in the garage, and burn it, because I want no evidence of it ever existing in that house. They also know that I won't bring a perspective woman over to their place because he refuses to take it down, even though he claims to not support him any more.

My dad's brother, on the other hand, is the typical aggrieved 45 supporter that thinks racial minorities are destroying the nation and there is no hope for him (I wished I took a video of his rant about "blacks bring about NIL destroying college sports because they're f*****g greedy" from two years ago). I don't see him often. If he starts on politics at Thanksgiving this year, regardless of the result, I'm going to flat out tell him in front of the entire family that we're not going to talk about politics at the dinner table and if he can't help himself to get in his car and drive 90 minutes back home, because we are not listening to it. He's a lost cause. I just hope he doesn't try to affect my father before the election. It's not out of the realm of possibilities.
 
UNCRx85 said:
Thankfully, my parents and my aunts/uncles/cousins all see right thru Trump and have from the jump. A extreme rarity, I know. My wife's family, however, is another story. They're pretty much all 100% MAGA.

I've had earnest conversations with my FIL about how dem candidates like Obama, Clinton, and now Harris actually favor policies that would benefit him. He'll even admit that Obamacare was the single most-helpful thing a President has ever done for him, personally (he "retired" from running his own small business at ~55 yrs. old, sold it, and has had to buy health insurance for him and my MIL ever since). As someone with a looottt of health problems, it's saved them thousands of dollars annually. He's now been on disability for several years following complications from a surgery.

So, in short, he's relied on and greatly benefitted from Obamacare, is now on SSDI, is fully aware of GOP's interest in making cuts to all such programs, and yet cannot wait to cast another vote for Trump and Mark Robinson. He's also never shied away from shitting on other people for being on these exact same programs. "Too lazy", "gaming the system", etc...

Most frustrating thing ever.

My MIL is a little harder to read. I honestly think I convinced her to vote Biden in 2020, but I'm not sure. The rest of them are southern baptist evangelicals. Luckily, everyone does a good job of not talking politics at gatherings, which are pretty frequent.
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If it were not for the benefits ushered in by Democrats over the objections of GOP starting in 1932 many (most?) retirees would today be living in a poverty-stricken environment. Hell! ,the GOP salivates at the prospect of ending or, at the least, neutering Medicare.
And Social Security... "Fuhgeddaboudit". Just think of the value of Soc. Security privatization to the upper echelons... $billions, $trillions.

If one votes GOP... chances are good they are a fool. Particularly if they are retired or nearing retirement.
 
The Nazi's showed that when you push hate, racism, and division, you can get a bunch of die hard supporters that will break laws or worse for you. Is this MAGA thing any different?

Which is interesting, because I didn't know you could "make America great again" based on such a foundation.
 
mpaer said:
My one sibling of three that went MAGA has two kids. They be DEMS
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I have a friend who is life long republican. I'm not sure if he's full maga, we don't talk as much since he retired.

He has 5 very brilliant kids. The two oldest girls both have PhDs. His 3rd child, oldest boy, is a Lieutenant Colonel and has a masters. His youngest daughter, 4th child, is a professional wrestler and has a net worth in the millions, she didn't go to college. His youngest son will graduate with an engineering degree next year.

The last time we talked I recall him saying, I have great kids but their all liberals. I responded, well you raised them right.
 
As of about 2 weeks ago my mother told me should couldn't vote for either candidate and she claimed my father believed Kamala was a Communist. I gave her a pretty pointed speech about the futures of her grandchildren and eventual great-grandchildren. I don't know what miracle has happened since them but apparently I got through! I just signed off on their ballots and they are both voting for Kamala!!
 
fourheels said:
As of about 2 weeks ago my mother told me should couldn't vote for either candidate and she claimed my father believed Kamala was a Communist. I gave her a pretty pointed speech about the futures of her grandchildren and eventual great-grandchildren. I don't know what miracle has happened since them but apparently I got through! I just signed off on their ballots and they are both voting for Kamala!!
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Well done!
 
So.....I'm going to have lunch with about six MAGA family members today at 1, which should be a sort of dry run for Thanksgiving :rolleyes:

Seemed like only yesterday when I looked forward to Thanksgiving. It's still mostly enjoyable, but the MAGA folks are now the ones who feel they have to interject politics into most things/everything.
 
I despise Trump. Everyone in my family knows it. We have a few who like him. We don’t talk politics. It’s really not even close to hard to avoid the topic.
 
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