MAGA - The family impact

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Jersey Heel said:
I’m non-binary (specifically forest nymph) and my entire family is MAGA. When I try to explain my truth to them, they tell me I need God, so frustrating.
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Not sure if you're on the level, or trolling the board. Your first two posts imply it might be the latter. But if you are trolling, at least you're being clever about it, which is more than I can say for most interlopers who join us.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Not sure if you're on the level, or trolling the board. Your first two posts imply it might be the latter. But if you are trolling, at least you're being clever about it, which is more than I can say for most interlopers who join us.
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I think the poster is trolling. You're right that if he is, he's reasonably clever about it. No point not to treat any interesting post as serious since any post here is really just something to hang a POV on. I don't think any of us here expect to "win" either an argument or a convert so the sincerity of the post we respond to hardly matters. Why trolls don't get that, I don't know. They reach for extremes to own liberals and just make the dichotomy between what they represent and sanity look larger.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
Not sure if you're on the level, or trolling the board. Your first two posts imply it might be the latter. But if you are trolling, at least you're being clever about it, which is more than I can say for most interlopers who join us.
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I've been told you need God most of my life. When my daughter can out the whole family heard that BS constantly.

I believe it's a cop out because they are incapable of any educated or understanding conversation.

I hope this isn't trolling.
 
Jersey Heel said:
I’m non-binary (specifically forest nymph) and my entire family is MAGA. When I try to explain my truth to them, they tell me I need God, so frustrating.
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I'm curious how the topic of gender came up in a conversation with family. I'm nearly 50 and I have never had such a discussion.
 
If I’m in a family gathering when politics comes up, my tactic is refusing to engage. I use silence as my weapon. I keep my face blank and expression-less - neither affirming nor contradicting what’s being said. I don’t say a word. I stare. And then, the subject goes to something other than politics due to the awkwardness of the silence, and I immediately start talking again.

After doing this in recent multiple family gatherings, my suspicion is that this silence speak volumes. I deny the speaker the pleasure of watching my reaction (which, I also suspect, is the primary purpose they say the shit they say). It also preserves the peace.

Or, avoid the gathering if you don’t feel like dealing with it. You don’t have to be a drama king/queen about it with a dramatic pronouncement about cutting them off. Just quiet quit.
 
AmbassadorHeel said:
If I’m in a family gathering when politics comes up, my tactic is refusing to engage. I use silence as my weapon. I keep my face blank and expression-less - neither affirming nor contradicting what’s being said. I don’t say a word. I stare. And then, the subject goes to something other than politics due to the awkwardness of the silence, and I immediately start talking again.

After doing this in recent multiple family gatherings, my suspicion is that this silence speak volumes. I deny the speaker the pleasure of watching my reaction (which, I also suspect, is the primary purpose they say the shit they say). It also preserves the peace.

Or, avoid the gathering if you don’t feel like dealing with it. You don’t have to be a drama king/queen about it with a dramatic pronouncement about cutting them off. Just quiet quit.
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When I am "at my best " this is my go to also
 
AmbassadorHeel said:
If I’m in a family gathering when politics comes up, my tactic is refusing to engage. I use silence as my weapon. I keep my face blank and expression-less - neither affirming nor contradicting what’s being said. I don’t say a word. I stare. And then, the subject goes to something other than politics due to the awkwardness of the silence, and I immediately start talking again.

After doing this in recent multiple family gatherings, my suspicion is that this silence speak volumes. I deny the speaker the pleasure of watching my reaction (which, I also suspect, is the primary purpose they say the shit they say). It also preserves the peace.

Or, avoid the gathering if you don’t feel like dealing with it. You don’t have to be a drama king/queen about it with a dramatic pronouncement about cutting them off. Just quiet quit.
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Agreed. For me, it's just been gradually withdrawal from the Eastern NC part of the family which basically means I only see my parents. If they really wanted me there, they wouldn't make a point of being assholes about it. Furthermore, if those who aren't assholes about it really wanted me there, they would say something to the guilty parties.
 
Jersey Heel said:
I’m non-binary (specifically forest nymph) and my entire family is MAGA. When I try to explain my truth to them, they tell me I need God, so frustrating.
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Go away, troll. God, what possesses people to be such pieces of shit? You won the election, dickhead. Now you better start prepping for the future you've unleashed on us all.
 
Batt Boy said:
Would depend on who and why, but he's very peaceful when not deployed. I just can't agree with much of his politics. He does still have great vision and that's probably why when he left and went DOJ, he joined HRT. Regardless, it would just depend.
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Would he follow an unlawful order? Given his politics or can he separate the two?
 
AmbassadorHeel said:
If I’m in a family gathering when politics comes up, my tactic is refusing to engage. I use silence as my weapon. I keep my face blank and expression-less - neither affirming nor contradicting what’s being said. I don’t say a word. I stare. And then, the subject goes to something other than politics due to the awkwardness of the silence, and I immediately start talking again.

After doing this in recent multiple family gatherings, my suspicion is that this silence speak volumes. I deny the speaker the pleasure of watching my reaction (which, I also suspect, is the primary purpose they say the shit they say). It also preserves the peace.

Or, avoid the gathering if you don’t feel like dealing with it. You don’t have to be a drama king/queen about it with a dramatic pronouncement about cutting them off. Just quiet quit.
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The no reaction thing is my go to as well. My FIL is really the only big time MAGA person that I’m close with beyond some extended family members that I never really interact with anyway. He’s a friendly enough person but always finds a way to bring up Trump or other shitty Republican political talking points in casual conversation. I nod and don’t see respond to it to keep things moving. There’s just no point in actually trying to have a discussion about politics with those people.
 
ZenMode said:
I'm curious how the topic of gender came up in a conversation with family. I'm nearly 50 and I have never had such a discussion.
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This topic came up at the funeral service for my dad this weekend.

My aunt, who had a gay granddaughter, asked my daughter about the guy she was with. My daughter said "Oh, that's my wife".

That's how it started.

Of course they don't speak with their gay granddaughter, just as her son doesn't speak with his gay daughter. Pretty sad.

Same aunt's husband, who is dying of cancer, said we should fill the Rio Grande with alligators and snakes to get rid of the immigrants.
 
mpaer said:
When I am "at my best " this is my go to also
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Yes, you have to choose your battles.

This weekend was such a challenge. If not for it being a memorial for my dad, I would have probably told most of my relatives to fuck themselves.

My Aunt, whose really all about a title, said that the Mongomery County democrats voted her out of the position she had held for 30 years. She's 84, probably needed to go. So, because of this, she voted for trump. Same Aunt used the term "Ni**er Town" when talking about a part of troy that is predominantly black.

Another cousin made it very clear where he stood in regard to anyone that's not white, straight and maga.

I'll be glad when all of this is over and I don't every have to see them again.
 
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If anyone saw my note about lunch with my MAGA family today, it went better than expected and the conversation was only slightly political ("my crypto is going to do great with Trump in office and Musk looking after everything" - yes, that was an actual quote). This was largely due in part to the most obnoxious MAGA relative not being there, who usually gets the others going. He canceled at the last minute. It was like finding a couple of $20s in a jacket you haven't worn since last winter. Hopefully he doesn't show to Thanksgiving either. I know, I'm a terrible person.
 
UNCatTech said:
This topic came up at the funeral service for my dad this weekend.

My aunt, who had a gay granddaughter, asked my daughter about the guy she was with. My daughter said "Oh, that's my wife".

That's how it started.

Of course they don't speak with their gay granddaughter, just as her son doesn't speak with his gay daughter. Pretty sad.

Same aunt's husband, who is dying of cancer, said we should fill the Rio Grande with alligators and snakes to get rid of the immigrants.
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Wow. They must have a lot of economic anxiety.
 
UNCatTech said:
Yes, you have to choose your battles.

This weekend was such a challenge. If not for it being a memorial for my dad, I would have probably most of my relatives to fuck themselves.

My Aunt, whose really all about a title, said that the Mongomery County democrats voted her out of the position she had held for 30 years. She's 84, probably needed to go. So, because of this, she voted for trump. Same Aunt used the term Ni**er Town when talking about a part of troy that is predominantly black.

Another cousin made it very clear where he stood in regard to anyone that's not white, straight and maga.

I'll be glad when all of this is over and I don't every have to see them again.
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Sorry you had to deal with this considering the circumstances. I'm sure it would be difficult enough even without asshole relatives injecting politics and social issues into conversations.
 
finesse said:
I think the poster is trolling. You're right that if he is, he's reasonably clever about it. No point not to treat any interesting post as serious since any post here is really just something to hang a POV on. I don't think any of us here expect to "win" either an argument or a convert so the sincerity of the post we respond to hardly matters. Why trolls don't get that, I don't know. They reach for extremes to own liberals and just make the dichotomy between what they represent and sanity look larger.
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Probably too smart to be OCS, but definitely a troll.
 
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