Many Americans Say the Democratic Party Does Not Share Their Priorities

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superrific said:
Do you understand the concept of pretext?
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Yes, which is why I have, more than once, said that I want ALL Americans to have EVERY political freedom and it matters not what gender they believe they are or who they choose to do what with in the privacy of their own homes. My position is not a pretext for infringement of rights... despite how badly most of you want to make it that.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Agreed, the Democratic leadership response to all of this has been disappointing to say the least. I'm sure some will say they're playing the long game and just letting the Republicans dig their own grave, but to be honest I don't think they're capable of doing that. I think they've been mostly silent because they're as frightened and intimidated as Congressional Republicans and have no real response. A few weeks ago there was a news article about Congressional Democrats which said they had just been "overwhelmed" by Trump's EOs and publicity blitz and were still trying to work out some kind of response. How could they not have known that something like this was going to happen - it was out there for everyone to see (Project 2025, DOGE, etc.) Thank God for people like AOC and Pritzker and Chris Murphy who have been out there making some strong statements and forcefully pointing out what's going on.
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This is what's so confusing. The information was readily available. They printed a 900 page fucking book, yet people ignored it.

I hope those like ramrouser love the 2% stockmarket drop so much yhat the want more, since that's what trump policies will give them.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes, which is why I have, more than once, said that I want ALL Americans to have EVERY political freedom and it matters not what gender they believe they are or who they choose to do what with in the privacy of their own homes. My position is not a pretext for infringement of rights... despite how badly most of you want to make it that.
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Why does it need to be limited to their homes? Are you one of those people that don't want too see two men kids in public? Why is it any of your business? If you were really for equality, then you wouldn't add little limitations like the privacy of their own home.
 
UNCatTech said:
Why does it need to be limited to their homes? Are you one of those people that don't want too see two men kids in public? Why is it any of your business? If you were really for equality, then you wouldn't add little limitations like the privacy of their own home.
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nope. my comment was a play on 'keep the government out of my bedroom', though I do find any kind of PDA to be a little gross.
 
UNCatTech said:
This is what's so confusing. The information was readily available. They printed a 900 page fucking book, yet people ignored it.

I hope those like ramrouser love the 2% stockmarket drop so much yhat the want more, since that's what trump policies will give them.
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It's almost like the stock market never dipped during the biden years.
 
ZenMode said:
Yes, which is why I have, more than once, said that I want ALL Americans to have EVERY political freedom and it matters not what gender they believe they are or who they choose to do what with in the privacy of their own homes. My position is not a pretext for infringement of rights... despite how badly most of you want to make it that.
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Well, when you use "men playing women's sports" as a cudgel, that's pretext. It's impossible for any rational person to get so upset about something that basically never happens, and when it does, does not affect their lives at all.

When you go on about men in women's sports, you're giving yourself away. if you don't intend that result, then change your position so it's not so pretextual.
 
UNCatTech said:
This is what's so confusing. The information was readily available. They printed a 900 page fucking book, yet people ignored it.

I hope those like ramrouser love the 2% stockmarket drop so much yhat the want more, since that's what trump policies will give them.
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They'll announce a "deal" with Canada and/or Mexico in the coming days and the market will come roaring back. Relax.
 
Ramrouser said:
They'll announce a "deal" with Canada and/or Mexico in the coming days and the market will come roaring back. Relax.
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1. Suppose that's true. Then why did we go through all of this? First, the market will not come roaring back because the damage has been done. The US has lost all credibility. Nobody will ever believe -- as long as Trump is in charge at least -- that the tariffs are over. Trump can bring them back at any time.

2. What makes you think this is true? Trump is promising to expand the tariffs. He's promising to make them universal. He's going to tariff the whole world on April 2, he says. Do you think he's lying?

3. If it was all kabuki theater, why did he do it? Don't you see that as a horrible thing to do? He's created economic anxiety for tens of millions of Americans, and for what?

4. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the economy is cratering. One reason for that is the economic uncertainty. Businesses can't operate if they have no visibility into their costs, or demand for their products. People get laid off when production shutters, and re-hiring them is not so simple.

5. What will have to happen for you to admit you were wrong? What if GM and Ford go bankrupt? Will you admit then that it was all a huge fuckup? What if GDP declines by 2-3%? It seems to me that your position is "Trump can do no wrong and I'm not going to be open to the possibility that he might" and that's just ignorant and ridiculous.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
They are bad at messaging. The prisoner taxpayer funded trans-surgery ad won Trump the election. That’s insane to say but the polling is clear.

Reportedly, Bill Clinton saw that ad one time and told the Harris campaign they had to combat it asap or they would lose. They ignore him.

Bad messaging….
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Yes, she should have vehemently combated it, saying the Dems don't give a shit about trans prisoners.

The left doesn't know right now how to be callous assholes. That's part of my purpose.

But make no mistake, that ad did not win anything. It was already won, from Covid inflation, to X, to a MAJORITY of rubes being incredibly stupid.

Pubs deal in nearly all misinformation.

Saying Dems need to respond to all the lies is not even possible.

It's time to go on the offensive. That's where I sincerely hope Dems go. Lie about Pubs nonstop. Blame every bad thing that happens on Trump, regardless of the actual cause.

Trump causes airplane crashes! And all the dumb rubes now want people to die on airplanes.

That's where we are!
 
UNCatTech said:
Don't worry by mid terms trump will have things so fucked up the blue wave will be a tsunami.

The GOP has already had to tell representatives to stop having town hall meetings because they can't explain away the crazy of president Musk and his side kick Trump. Trump voters are pissed at being laid off, at the treatment of military veterans, at the cost of food that he lied about fixing, and now we get to all enjoy the no lube fucking our retirement accounts are getting from stupid trump teriffs. He won by less than 2% it doesn't take much to push enough swing voters back to the other side.
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Unfortunately this is not going to happen. I do think people will vote at least 60% blue by the midterms.

It won't matter, it will be fully rigged. Mark my words.

It's too late, he's going after mail in ballots, and voter suppression in big cities will be tenfold.

As these realizations play out over 2 years, find me. I have already formulated thousands of ways to destroy rednecks
 
superrific said:
1. Suppose that's true. Then why did we go through all of this? First, the market will not come roaring back because the damage has been done. The US has lost all credibility. Nobody will ever believe -- as long as Trump is in charge at least -- that the tariffs are over. Trump can bring them back at any time.

2. What makes you think this is true? Trump is promising to expand the tariffs. He's promising to make them universal. He's going to tariff the whole world on April 2, he says. Do you think he's lying?

3. If it was all kabuki theater, why did he do it? Don't you see that as a horrible thing to do? He's created economic anxiety for tens of millions of Americans, and for what?

4. Maybe you haven't noticed, but the economy is cratering. One reason for that is the economic uncertainty. Businesses can't operate if they have no visibility into their costs, or demand for their products. People get laid off when production shutters, and re-hiring them is not so simple.

5. What will have to happen for you to admit you were wrong? What if GM and Ford go bankrupt? Will you admit then that it was all a huge fuckup? What if GDP declines by 2-3%? It seems to me that your position is "Trump can do no wrong and I'm not going to be open to the possibility that he might" and that's just ignorant and ridiculous.
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I'm on record as saying I'm not a fan of Trump's tariff policies. They'll be a quick settlement and perhaps a factory or two will relocate to the US (like the Civic plant to Indiana) but I don't think it's worth the anxiety and pain that the tariffs cause - possibly inflation if they remain in place long enough. I would prefer Trump to cut spending and the size of government and allow the economy to continue to run on cruise control. The reduced spending would help with inflation. Tariffs complicate my preferred plan.

My hope is that Bessent will talk Trump out of further tariffs after this first wave is complete.
 
Ram has now reached the bargaining stage!

"Well, I don't like the tariffs, and I acknowledge that they will be economic catastrophes, but.....well, they aren't actually going to happen, they're just a bluff, but if they do happen, and they aren't just a bluff, they'll be temporary, and if they aren't temporary, well in Trump we trust!"
 
Ramrouser said:
I'm on record as saying I'm not a fan of Trump's tariff policies. They'll be a quick settlement and perhaps a factory or two will relocate to the US (like the Civic plant to Indiana) but I don't think it's worth the anxiety and pain that the tariffs cause - possibly inflation if they remain in place long enough. I would prefer Trump to cut spending and the size of government and allow the economy to continue to run on cruise control. The reduced spending would help with inflation. Tariffs complicate my preferred plan.

My hope is that Bessent will talk Trump out of further tariffs after this first wave is complete.
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Oh. So you're not even following your own advice of "relax, it will be OK." Cool cool cool. Guess what? I also hope that somebody talks Trump out of it, but I doubt it would be Bessent (who got the job by advocating for tariffs). I don't know that there is anyone in Trump's orbit who could possibly talk him out of it. Not even Murdoch media has had any success.

So, if the tariffs do cause inflation (they already have, btw -- markets react proactively; it's why interest rates have jumped after the election), you will admit that your guy fucked up? You'll admit that he fucked up in the exact same way that the liberals predicted? I'm not interested in playing "I told you so" games, but maybe if you can clearly see how badly Trump fucked this up, maybe you'll start to be less credulous about him on other issues. And maybe you will realize that liberals aren't, in fact, libtards. Most of us are quite knowledgeable, especially the party leaders.
 
Shenanigans said:
Unfortunately this is not going to happen. I do think people will vote at least 60% blue by the midterms.

It won't matter, it will be fully rigged. Mark my words.

It's too late, he's going after mail in ballots, and voter suppression in big cities will be tenfold.

As these realizations play out over 2 years, find me. I have already formulated thousands of ways to destroy rednecks
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I'm not much on conspiracies, but I am concerned with legislation to make voting harder (save act) and I'm actually concerned with big tech and Musk finding a way to actually impact voting machines. Plus there's the gerrymandering. God were fucked.
 
Ramrouser said:
I'm on record as saying I'm not a fan of Trump's tariff policies. They'll be a quick settlement and perhaps a factory or two will relocate to the US (like the Civic plant to Indiana) but I don't think it's worth the anxiety and pain that the tariffs cause - possibly inflation if they remain in place long enough. I would prefer Trump to cut spending and the size of government and allow the economy to continue to run on cruise control. The reduced spending would help with inflation. Tariffs complicate my preferred plan.

My hope is that Bessent will talk Trump out of further tariffs after this first wave is complete.
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Wow, at least you see the issue with tariffs, I'm sure it's for personal gain...

To bad you can't see that trumps methodologies for cutting government will cost more in the long run.

Nothing is woth the anxiety that trump is causing.

It will be nice when he's gone, hopefully we have a real leader with real ideas to help everyone as our next President.

The pubs will probably run JD, once again demonstrating that they don't give a fuck about people or good policy.
 
superrific said:
Oh. So you're not even following your own advice of "relax, it will be OK." Cool cool cool. Guess what? I also hope that somebody talks Trump out of it, but I doubt it would be Bessent (who got the job by advocating for tariffs). I don't know that there is anyone in Trump's orbit who could possibly talk him out of it. Not even Murdoch media has had any success.

So, if the tariffs do cause inflation (they already have, btw -- markets react proactively; it's why interest rates have jumped after the election), you will admit that your guy fucked up? You'll admit that he fucked up in the exact same way that the liberals predicted? I'm not interested in playing "I told you so" games, but maybe if you can clearly see how badly Trump fucked this up, maybe you'll start to be less credulous about him on other issues. And maybe you will realize that liberals aren't, in fact, libtards. Most of us are quite knowledgeable, especially the party leaders.
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I don't particularly like Trump's tariff policies but I don't think the sky is falling so "relax" is appropriate. If the tariff issues aren't settled in the coming days/weeks, then I agree he made a mistake on this issue. But, one thing about Trump is that he course corrects very quickly (not an ideologue) if things go sideways.
 
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