OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

[rodoheel]

You're on the money with this. The Democrats are in a really weird place when their candidates can't speak out against biological men playing women's sports and things like that. They've got to let some of that BS go if they don't want to continue bleeding support from the working class, especially.

The answer isn't for Dem candidates to "speak out against biological men playing women's sports" it's to refuse to engage on it at all because it is not a real issue or concern.

 

[Duke Mu]

It was the economy all along. It is ALWAYS going to be the economy. And not the stock market. It's rent/house prices, gas prices, etc.

When those prices do not come down in the next 2 years that is ALL dems should hammer the GOP on. "Rent is too damn high" - blame them for it. Yeah it's been going up the last 6 years, but blame the party in power for not fixing it...they will then own it

I guess. However, virtually every Ted Cruz add I saw went:

Transgender

Border

Liberal

Transgender in the Military

Texas Values

Border

Did I say Transgender?



The ads never mentioned Inflation. Trump rarely mentioned inflation over the last 3 weeks.

Who will suffer?

Women

Children

POC

Teachers

Working Class

Elderly (when there are SS, Medicare cuts)

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I think because the tax paid surgery for trans inmates was and still is a non issue. It doesn't matter for 99.999% of the population. How many trans inmates do any of y'all know?

Agreed, but I do think it was effective because of all the prejudice against transgenders. To be honest if I were transgender I would be terrified right now. There is no doubt in my mind that Republicans are going to ramp up their attacks on transgenders, and will try to use that as a wedge issue to go after the entire LGBTQ community, at both the federal and state levels in states they control.

 

[aGDevil2k]

Agreed, but I do think it was effective because of all the prejudice against transgenders. To be honest if I were transgender I would be terrified right now. There is no doubt in my mind that Republicans are going to ramp up their attacks on transgenders, and will try to use that as a wedge issue to go after the entire LGBTQ community, at both the federal and state levels in states they control.

Vance already gave that away with his "normal gays" comment - we (gay guys) are boring old news. They want to demonize trans folks in bathrooms and sports. That's their new boogeyman because no one cares about gays and gay marriage.

 

[HeelYeah2012]

The answer isn't for Dem candidates to "speak out against biological men playing women's sports" it's to refuse to engage on it at all because it is not a real issue or concern.

It feels like they tried to mostly take the "refuse to engage at all on it" approach this cycle and they got hammered on this issue. Especially with the one video that did exist where Kamala advocated for the taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners.

For something that is not a real issue or concern, seems easy to just align with the "yeah, we don't support it" side instead of dying on that hill and alienating a ton of voters - especially African American and Latino men.

 

[lightbluenc]

The media blaming the voters has already begun, where they helped cause this, yet again.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4976386-trump-democracy-america/

 

[Callatoroy]

ground game
enthusiasm
small donors
war chest
rallies
supposedly disqualifying behavior
personal rights
coherent messaging


none of it matters over tribalism

No, what matters is

cost of eggs and electricity and gas
supporting mandatory gun buy backs
Not supporting fracking
over-regulation
supporting open borders
supporting medicare for all (including illegal immigrants)
supporting men playing on women's teams
being weak on defense
competency and being able to conduct an intelligent interview
and actually being duly elected to run for potus, not hand picked

It has nothing to do with tribalism and everything to do with those points

 

[Mulberry Heel]

I guess. However, virtually every Ted Cruz add I saw went:

Transgender

Border

Liberal

Transgender in the Military

Texas Values

Border

Did I say Transgender?



The ads never mentioned Inflation. Trump rarely mentioned inflation over the last 3 weeks.

Who will suffer?

Women

Children

POC

Teachers

Working Class

Elderly (when there are SS, Medicare cuts)

Yeah, Trump voters can say it's about inflation and the economy all they want, and it may have been for some, but I have no doubt that the main driver of Trump voters was the culture wars. Cutting taxes and inflation isn't what gets Trumpers fired up and out of the bed in the mornings - it's culture war issues, especially anything dealing with the LGBTQ community and women's rights and promoting diversity. They simply hate all that with a passion, plain and simple.

 

[lightbluenc]

the taxpayer-funded sex changes for prisoners.

Which started in 2018 during Trump's term.

 

[finesse]

Ah, but you see, virtually none of what you said is actually true.

But it works.

 

[fssheels]

As did the black vote and the under 30 vote. Harris underperformed biden in many areas. Your subversion of the political process led to the choosing of a candidate that the dem voters overwhelmingly rejected in 2020 and wasn't given a choice in this election. Hand picked by a few people. That should make your side angry.

What are you talking about? You have no idea who I voted for.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Notably, what I don't see is any "rigged election" accusations coming from the losing side. I didn't hear of any "stop the count!" demands last night when Harris was barely holding the lead in PA. I don't see any whiny refusals accept the election results. I don't see anyone trying to push misinformation about voter fraud. And I sure as hell haven't heard about Harris trying to manufacture fake votes in key battleground states they lost. How utterly refreshing.

Yep. There were some conservatives on here predicting violence from "the left" if Trump won, and I haven't seen anything anywhere. To the contrary, I fear that the more common response from liberals will be to simply give up on politics and quit caring altogether. I've heard that from a great many liberals, and frankly that's how I feel myself. If this is what most Americans really want - and it's clear that it is - just let them have it, and suffer the consequences. I feel terrible for minorities and poor people who are going to suffer, but given that liberals no longer have any power to stop Trumpers from doing whatever the hell they want, let them do what they want and see what happens.

 

[ZenMode]

So if this holds true, Trump didn't add any votes, but didn't lose any... and this whole "get out the vote-ground game" of Kamala's simply didn't produce. Too many people on that side of the aisle stayed home or voted 3rd party

It's the immovable object vs irresistible force. It seems like there is a serious lack of enthusiasm for Kamala... but you'd think that the fear of Trump would drive everyone to vote as it did in 2020.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Vance already gave that away with his "normal gays" comment - we (gay guys) are boring old news. They want to demonize trans folks in bathrooms and sports. That's their new boogeyman because no one cares about gays and gay marriage.

But I do think they care about gays and gay marriage, and I think they'll use attacks on transgenders as a wedge to attack the entire LGBTQ community. It's already happened in Florida, where banning discussions of transgenders in elementary schools very quickly morphed into banning discussions on LGBTQ topics at all, right up through high school.

 

[rodoheel]

The media blaming the voters has already begun, where they helped cause this, yet again.

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/4976386-trump-democracy-america/

I don't really blame the media for being upset. They tried to tell people. You can make all the complaints you want about tone, elitism, fact-checking, etc, but conservatives have relentlessly sought to undermine the media for years not because any of that, but because they didn't want to be held accountable for telling lies. They succeeded, both through propaganda and the effects of the internet. The legacy media is irrelevant now to most Americans. Just remember when you hear conservatives trying to keep up their whining about "the media" being after them that they control the real media now - Musk, Rogan, Carlson, etc. Those guys have been having fun being the outsiders and underdogs, but that shtick doesn't work anymore when you have the biggest microphone and platform.

 

[05C40]

There are two critical segments of the voting population--who went for Trump--that I think cost Harris the election. (1) Men who are (a) Latino, (b) Islamic, or (c) members of the young "Bro" culture who, just could not bring themselves to vote for a woman regardless of how much they may have agreed with her actual positions. 2. Women who simply cannot conceive of a situation where they or theirs will every need or want to have an abortion. I believe the shift in votes from these two groups from Blue to Red, regardless of how much their interests alined with Harris's position (except for the noted items), was the difference in the election.

 

[gregh1]

* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

More white men voted for Harris than Biden. Hispanic vote increased for Trump in a big way.

Whoa. Surprise of the AM for me right there.

 

[lightbluenc]

And Trump wasn’t forced to defend it at every turn.

So what’s at the core of this? I think it goes back to the messaging thing again. The trans issue is bad for Dems because it reinforces negative images that working class people have about the Democratic Party. That they are overly concerned with cultural issues and not concerned enough with people’s everyday economic circumstances.

The trans issue becomes neutered in the face of an economically populist Democratic Party, IMO. They have to change their image of cultural elitism.

Yet the cultural issues are all coming from Republicans. And for them its cultural purity. So which is worse?

I get your point, but Dems do not care one bit who is trans, who isn't, what you do with your body, none of that. I don't care, everyone I know doesn't care, but Republicans act like we are forcing people to sleep with them. Its a non-issue. It'd be like if I got mad at Republicans who go to church and they sit in a pew too far back, or not close enough. Like I don't give af. Go to church, sit where you want, it doesnt affect me. Republicans craft these issues that don't even exist.

editing to add: I am not always trying to single you out, I think we'd have some great conversations together in person, I think a lot of what you say is on point

 

[finesse]

I don't really blame the media for being upset. They tried to tell people. You can make all the complaints you want about tone, elitism, fact-checking, etc, but conservatives have relentlessly sought to undermine the media for years not because any of that, but because they didn't want to be held accountable for telling lies. They succeeded, both through propaganda and the effects of the internet. The legacy media is irrelevant now to most Americans. Just remember when you hear conservatives trying to keep up their whining about "the media" being after them that they control the real media now - Musk, Rogan, Carlson, etc. Those guys have been having fun being the outsiders and underdogs, but that shtick doesn't work anymore when you have the biggest microphone and platform.

They tried telling people a week ago so they could claim that. There was two years of treating Trump with kid gloves before that. Why should anyone believe them at the last minute?

 

[heel79]

Yeah, Biden generally did great. People are idiots and either didn’t understand how things work/what was happening in the world or were fed disinformation or both. One major problem with Biden, however, is that he absolutely sucked as a communicator, so he could never present himself in a charismatic way that could many Americans to buy into what he had accomplished.