OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Icky Mettle said:
It’s very frustrating that a very significant number of voters tend to think, “well, this candidate isn’t as perfect as I want my candidate to be, so I can’t vote for them” rather than, “this candidate will attempt to do x, while that candidate will attempt to do y, and I would prefer x over y.”
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No that’s exactly what a lot of people did.
 
Duke Mu said:
Inflation and the economy seem forefront...but then I think back on the plethora of Ted Cruz ads here in Texas over the past few weeks.

Cruz ads I saw in included visuals and voice over for:

Transgender

Border

Liberal

Transgender in the Military

Border

Did I say Transgender?


The ads rarely mentioned Inflation.


The Ads kept playing the misleading clip where Harris in reality said that she would obey the same law Trump had to follow. The unlikable Ted Cruz won by 9%
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Keep in mind that Senate races hinge heavily on the presidential results. I don’t know if Allred would’ve done better with a different Democrat at the top of the ticket, but it’s entirely conceivable.
 


I think if you are the Democratic party, you gotta be deconstructing and really looking at how to appeal to more voters. Losing to a candidate like Trump twice, you gotta reassess a lot of what you are doing. Just like the Republicans did after the Romney loss. Democrats have got to get more in the playbook than "You are racist and hate women if you don't vote for us". Obviously, it is way more nuanced than that, but it comes off that way to many. Harris, who I like but disagree with was put in a tough spot because Biden waited so long.
 
mpaer said:
The Wall Street Journal has an incredible story today. The National Archives museum, under Biden-appointed U.S. Archivist Colleen Shogan, has been working to reshape its narrative of American history in order to make white conservatives more comfortable. The Journal describes a pattern of efforts to shape its newest upcoming exhibits to better fit right-wing narratives of U.S. history. The museum has removed references to Martin Luther King Jr., Japanese internment, Native Americans, union organizers, and birth control, because presenting American history honestly would make Republicans upset.
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I read an article about the “white”-shining of the National Archives Museum 2-3 weeks ago…..sobering article.
 
nycfan said:
This is pretty much how the race would have gone in 2020 but for COVID. A lot of people who voted against Trump for that single reason were very disappointed in Biden’s handling of the pandemic — he couldn’t just make it go away and people were frustrated when the fight over masks and public events and schools extended well beyond the availability of the vaccine.

When we when to the Sweet Sixteen in Philadelphia in 2022, I was stunned that the City was just tentatively emerging from COVID restrictions. People seemed freaked to mingle in restaurants, many of which were operating at half capacity with about a quarter of staffing. You want an explanation for the red shift in Blue States? That’s it.

We’ve memory-holed the pandemic but I’ve thought the last few years that the frustration and outrage about inflation has always been about more than the economic impact. A lot of people most outraged about it actually did better financially the last four years.

But in my opinion the inflation thing is also a stand-in for the thing no one wants to talk about anymore — the pandemic. Inflation was an obvious, lingering and unavoidable daily reminder of something everyone has been trying to forget. Electing Trump probably felt like resetting to January 2020, before everything else that followed. Start over where we were.

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.
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Fascinating take on it and I tend to agree wholeheartedly on this. I think Biden is also getting blamed for covid in 2020 to an extent because our memories of that 1-2 years really runs together.
 
Paine said:
I don’t know if Allred would’ve done better with a different Democrat at the top of the ticket, but it’s entirely conceivable.
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No it's not. And Dan Osborn didn't come close. Latest in a long string of fools gold that falls apart on election day.

This was not a winnable election. I don't know if any elections are winnable, given that huge chunks of the population are just willing and eager to believe any version of unreality that they choose.
 
EhringhausSouth said:


I think if you are the Democratic party, you gotta be deconstructing and really looking at how to appeal to more voters. Losing to a candidate like Trump twice, you gotta reassess a lot of what you are doing. Just like the Republicans did after the Romney loss. Democrats have got to get more in the playbook than "You are racist and hate women if you don't vote for us". Obviously, it is way more nuanced than that, but it comes off that way to many. Harris, who I like but disagree with was put in a tough spot because Biden waited so long.
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What exactly did the GOP reassess and do after Romney lost?

The GOP re-did its nominating process for 2016 making it easier for the front-runner to secure the nomination. The GOP didn’t think or anticipate that Trump would be the nominee. Then, Trump took over the GOP.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
This is working exactly as intended from those who dislike Roe. States deciding it on their own
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HeelYeah2012 said:
This is working exactly as intended from those who dislike Roe. States deciding it on their own.
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I’m of the opinion that fundamental rights should be granted by the federal government, and not willy nilly from state to state. Why should my (or my daughters) rights/protections end at a state line?
 
EhringhausSouth said:


I think if you are the Democratic party, you gotta be deconstructing and really looking at how to appeal to more voters. Losing to a candidate like Trump twice, you gotta reassess a lot of what you are doing. Just like the Republicans did after the Romney loss. Democrats have got to get more in the playbook than "You are racist and hate women if you don't vote for us". Obviously, it is way more nuanced than that, but it comes off that way to many. Harris, who I like but disagree with was put in a tough spot because Biden waited so long.
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The Democratic Party has to find a message that resonates with at least SOME working class whites. Expecting 90% black votes and 70% Hispanic votes etc and then getting mad when that doesn’t happen is crazy. Although we may not be a majority white country, we are still plurality white which means they wield the most electoral power and we cannot take drubbings over and over with this bloc and survive.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Maybe, or maybe/also a democrat sitting as president and two highly unelectable democratic candidates.

How did Kamala do in the primaries a few years ago?

She was the only option, since Biden waited so long to step aside. She was not the best, or even great, option.
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Kamala was amazing. She was not the problem.
 
nycfan said:
I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.
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The race was decided long before that "gaffe." It never changed one bit. It was a simple numbers game. More of them than us.

What was she supposed to say? Change what? What should we have done about inflation, except destroy it as we have done? Like, people are hyperventilating about inflation when it's at 2% because they don't understand anything at all. We see it from posters on this board.

I don't think this was about the pandemic at all. This is just a linear progression from 2010. It's the same shit over and over again.
 
superrific said:
No it's not. And Dan Osborn didn't come close. Latest in a long string of fools gold that falls apart on election day.

This was not a winnable election. I don't know if any elections are winnable, given that huge chunks of the population are just willing and eager to believe any version of unreality that they choose.
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Okay, well feel free to just pack it up then and we just won’t compete in any more elections.

I’ll still advocate for what I think is the winning position. Osborn outperformed Harris by almost ten points.
 
nycfan said:
This is pretty much how the race would have gone in 2020 but for COVID. A lot of people who voted against Trump for that single reason were very disappointed in Biden’s handling of the pandemic — he couldn’t just make it go away and people were frustrated when the fight over masks and public events and schools extended well beyond the availability of the vaccine.

When we when to the Sweet Sixteen in Philadelphia in 2022, I was stunned that the City was just tentatively emerging from COVID restrictions. People seemed freaked to mingle in restaurants, many of which were operating at half capacity with about a quarter of staffing. You want an explanation for the red shift in Blue States? That’s it.

We’ve memory-holed the pandemic but I’ve thought the last few years that the frustration and outrage about inflation has always been about more than the economic impact. A lot of people most outraged about it actually did better financially the last four years.

But in my opinion the inflation thing is also a stand-in for the thing no one wants to talk about anymore — the pandemic. Inflation was an obvious, lingering and unavoidable daily reminder of something everyone has been trying to forget. Electing Trump probably felt like resetting to January 2020, before everything else that followed. Start over where we were.

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.
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Interesting post. My thought is that it has been difficult for Democrats to address the root causes of inflation (outside of corporate greed) without addressing the lockdowns. It was easier to blame only on corporate greed, which was only part of the story. You would need a really effective communicator - perhaps a Jeff Jackson - to give nuanced inflation take in a 45-second, easily digestible Tik Tok, without stirring up negative reactions around lockdowns, social distancing, etc.
 
DantesHair said:
I’m of the opinion that fundamental rights should be granted by the federal government, and not willy nilly from state to state. Why should my (or my daughters) rights/protections end at a state line?
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It shouldn't. I understand the argument, but SCOTUS decided the right to abort a pregnancy was not a constitutional right. There are folks out there that would say the unborn should have a right to life with some very few exceptions. I think States are best equipped to deal with this particular issue
 
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