OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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CallMeTyler said:
The country pretty clearly chose conservative policy over progress. Are you suggesting that Bernie's ability to speak plainly would've overcome the headwinds facing KH? It's an interesting proposition.
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Pure conjecture, but I also actually do think there is something to that.

Whether you agreed with him or not, Bernie knew exactly what he wanted to do policy wise and was very concise in explaining how he was going to do it and why he believed it was a good thing. Hard to put a finger on it in one post, but he just felt very authentic.

I think part of why Kamala didn’t resonate with enough voters can be attributed to simple misogyny and/or racism. At the end of the day, Americans just don’t have the pallet for a woman, and especially a woman of color, to be president. I also think she is perceived by a lot of people as corny/inauthentic/out of touch/however you want to phrase it, especially by younger people. I’m not saying that that’s fair or correct, I just think that’s how a lot of people see her.
 
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Peppers49 said:
Pure conjecture, but I also actually do think there is something to that.

Whether you agreed with him or not, Bernie knew exactly what he wanted to do policy wise and was very concise in explaining how he was going to do it and why he believed it was a good thing.

I think part of why Kamala didn’t resonate with enough voters can be attributed to simply misogyny and/or racism. I also think she is perceived by a lot of people as corny/inauthentic/out of touch/however you want to phrase, especially by younger people. I’m not saying that that’s fair or correct, I just think that’s how a lot of people see her.
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People get caught up on Bernie’s policies, which are a big part of his appeal to a lot of people, but don’t acknowledge this point very much:

He has a style and brand that was clear and resonated with the American character. That’s what it’s about. The policies can help reinforce or create a politician’s style/brand, but the brand itself is foremost.

Bernie had been preaching the same stuff his whole life. There’s a reason conservatives always say “I may not agree with him, but I respect him.”
 
CallMeTyler said:
This wasn't a play for margins. Voters just didn't show up for KH.

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A lot of blue state voters didn't show up right? It seems like states like NJ are missing 600k Dem voters, in states assumed she'd win.

Wasn't there record turnout for the swing states still?
 
Peppers49 said:
Pure conjecture, but I also actually do think there is something to that.

Whether you agreed with him or not, Bernie knew exactly what he wanted to do policy wise and was very concise in explaining how he was going to do it and why he believed it was a good thing.

I think part of why Kamala didn’t resonate with enough voters can be attributed to simply misogyny and/or racism. I also think she is perceived by a lot of people as corny/inauthentic/out of touch/however you want to phrase, especially by younger people. I’m not saying that that’s fair or correct, I just think that’s how a lot of people see her.
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That's exactly how many voters, especially young voters, saw her. In fact, the 'word salad' critique surfaced on multiple occasions. "We don't really know what her policies are and how they'll actually help me.".

Pretty well captured in this episode. You can witness the dismissal of what's a very strong attempt by Pete to engage these undecided voters.

 
Callatoroy said:
First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.
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Sure if you don't count the 45 combat deaths in Afghanistan or the missile attacks on Syria and such. But, that's fairly honest for your ilk.
 
This is pretty much how the race would have gone in 2020 but for COVID. A lot of people who voted against Trump for that single reason were very disappointed in Biden’s handling of the pandemic — he couldn’t just make it go away and people were frustrated when the fight over masks and public events and schools extended well beyond the availability of the vaccine.

When we when to the Sweet Sixteen in Philadelphia in 2022, I was stunned that the City was just tentatively emerging from COVID restrictions. People seemed freaked to mingle in restaurants, many of which were operating at half capacity with about a quarter of staffing. You want an explanation for the red shift in Blue States? That’s it.

We’ve memory-holed the pandemic but I’ve thought the last few years that the frustration and outrage about inflation has always been about more than the economic impact. A lot of people most outraged about it actually did better financially the last four years.

But in my opinion the inflation thing is also a stand-in for the thing no one wants to talk about anymore — the pandemic. Inflation was an obvious, lingering and unavoidable daily reminder of something everyone has been trying to forget. Electing Trump probably felt like resetting to January 2020, before everything else that followed. Start over where we were.

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.
 
We also assumed young voters would be repulsed by Trump, but they have turned 16-20 years old during Biden term. These voters were 12 years old when Trump came around and they don't know what it was like.
 
superrific said:
What do 2016 and 2024 have in common? A woman candidate.
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Maybe, or maybe/also a democrat sitting as president and two highly unelectable democratic candidates.

How did Kamala do in the primaries a few years ago?

She was the only option, since Biden waited so long to step aside. She was not the best, or even great, option.
 
Macksbrownies said:
Told my wife this morning that we just need to continue focusing on raising our daughter to be kind and caring to all people and just hope and pray we have a chance to right this shithole of a ship in 2028. I’ll
be focusing on doing things to help relieve my daily stress starting in 2025 and focusing on the things that make us happy. A true FUCK YOU to all of the dipshits out there who were just conned for a third time. You deserve everything that will be coming to you and yours because of your truly idiotic decisions.
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Still haven't learned a damn thing and what's worse for your family is that you likely won't ever understand why you lost. You should spend some time reflecting on how your side could lose to someone as loathsome as trump. Really, that's quite an accomplishment. This election was a beatdown for your side for some reason. You should think about why. If you fall on racism, misogyny, xenophobia, or any other label then you should just hang out with CF because you will be truly hopeless.
 
stankeylegjones said:
Maybe, or maybe/also a democrat sitting as president and two highly unelectable democratic candidates.

How did Kamala do in the primaries a few years ago?

She was the only option, since Biden waited so long to step aside. She was not the best, or even great, option.
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Why was she the only option?
 
CallMeTyler said:
That's exactly how many voters, especially young voters, saw her. In fact, the 'word salad' critique surfaced on multiple occasions. "We don't really know what her policies are and how they'll actually help me.".

Pretty well captured in this episode. You can witness the dismissal of what's a very strong attempt by Pete to engage these undecided voters.

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It’s very frustrating that a very significant number of voters tend to think, “well, this candidate isn’t as perfect as I want my candidate to be, so I can’t vote for them” rather than, “this candidate will attempt to do x, while that candidate will attempt to do y, and I would prefer x over y.”
 
lightbluenc said:
Rallies, donations, canvassing, celeb endorsements, none of that means anything at all when a majority of the electorate is clueless on what they're voting for.

Also the Selzer Iowa poll being off by 17 points dear god.
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In hindsight, do you have a different opinion as to who was clueless?
 
Callatoroy said:
Still haven't learned a damn thing and what's worse for your family is that you likely won't ever understand why you lost. You should spend some time reflecting on how your side could lose to someone as loathsome as trump. Really, that's quite an accomplishment. This election was a beatdown for your side for some reason. You should think about why. If you fall on racism, misogyny, xenophobia, or any other label then you should just hang out with CF because you will be truly hopeless.
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i've thought about it. it's because people like you are pieces of shit. i hope trump's policies crush you and strip you of all you care about.
 
The media is also very culpable in this mess. Right down to the picture used to depict him on their election coverage. The image was clearly recycled from eight years ago. Their effort to remain unbiased was actually very biased. If they had covered Trump and to a lesser extent Vance truthfully, he wouldn't have had the vehicle with which to transport his message of hate and division.
 
dukeman92 said:
The media is also very culpable in this mess. Right down to the picture used to depict him on their election coverage. The image was clearly recycled from eight years ago. Their effort to remain unbiased was actually very biased. If they had covered Trump and to a lesser extent Vance truthfully, he wouldn't have had the vehicle with which to transport his message of hate and division.
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And that same media is going to blame lots of disaffected voters for not choosing more wisely. But they shoulder lots of blame in sane-washing his rhetoric.
 
lightbluenc said:
A lot of blue state voters didn't show up right? It seems like states like NJ are missing 600k Dem voters, in states assumed she'd win.

Wasn't there record turnout for the swing states still?
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I haven't looked at every swing state, but looking at PA:

2020: 6.9M votes
2024: 6.8M votes (w/ 97% reporting)
 
nycfan said:
This is pretty much how the race would have gone in 2020 but for COVID. A lot of people who voted against Trump for that single reason were very disappointed in Biden’s handling of the pandemic — he couldn’t just make it go away and people were frustrated when the fight over masks and public events and schools extended well beyond the availability of the vaccine.

When we when to the Sweet Sixteen in Philadelphia in 2022, I was stunned that the City was just tentatively emerging from COVID restrictions. People seemed freaked to mingle in restaurants, many of which were operating at half capacity with about a quarter of staffing. You want an explanation for the red shift in Blue States? That’s it.

We’ve memory-holed the pandemic but I’ve thought the last few years that the frustration and outrage about inflation has always been about more than the economic impact. A lot of people most outraged about it actually did better financially the last four years.

But in my opinion the inflation thing is also a stand-in for the thing no one wants to talk about anymore — the pandemic. Inflation was an obvious, lingering and unavoidable daily reminder of something everyone has been trying to forget. Electing Trump probably felt like resetting to January 2020, before everything else that followed. Start over where we were.

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.
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Interesting take and I can see this.
 
Inflation and the economy seem forefront...but then I think back on the plethora of Ted Cruz ads here in Texas over the past few weeks.

Cruz ads I saw in included visuals and voice over for:

Transgender

Border

Liberal

Transgender in the Military

Border

Did I say Transgender?


The ads rarely mentioned Inflation.


The Ads kept playing the misleading clip where Harris in reality said that she would obey the same law Trump had to follow. The unlikable Ted Cruz won by 9%
 
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