OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

[DantesHair]

This is working exactly as intended from those who dislike Roe. States deciding it on their own

This is working exactly as intended from those who dislike Roe. States deciding it on their own.

I’m of the opinion that fundamental rights should be granted by the federal government, and not willy nilly from state to state. Why should my (or my daughters) rights/protections end at a state line?

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

https://www.wsj.com/politics/elections/kamala-harris-democrats-2024-election-loss-3b3b9c30

I think if you are the Democratic party, you gotta be deconstructing and really looking at how to appeal to more voters. Losing to a candidate like Trump twice, you gotta reassess a lot of what you are doing. Just like the Republicans did after the Romney loss. Democrats have got to get more in the playbook than "You are racist and hate women if you don't vote for us". Obviously, it is way more nuanced than that, but it comes off that way to many. Harris, who I like but disagree with was put in a tough spot because Biden waited so long.

The Democratic Party has to find a message that resonates with at least SOME working class whites. Expecting 90% black votes and 70% Hispanic votes etc and then getting mad when that doesn’t happen is crazy. Although we may not be a majority white country, we are still plurality white which means they wield the most electoral power and we cannot take drubbings over and over with this bloc and survive.

 

[superrific]

Maybe, or maybe/also a democrat sitting as president and two highly unelectable democratic candidates.

How did Kamala do in the primaries a few years ago?

She was the only option, since Biden waited so long to step aside. She was not the best, or even great, option.

Kamala was amazing. She was not the problem.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I think all the money was tied to their ticket so it had to be Biden or Harris. Or start over. Probably would have been better to start over.

Start over? How exactly do you see that working?

 

[superrific]

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.

The race was decided long before that "gaffe." It never changed one bit. It was a simple numbers game. More of them than us.

What was she supposed to say? Change what? What should we have done about inflation, except destroy it as we have done? Like, people are hyperventilating about inflation when it's at 2% because they don't understand anything at all. We see it from posters on this board.

I don't think this was about the pandemic at all. This is just a linear progression from 2010. It's the same shit over and over again.

 

[Willy]

This is pretty much how the race would have gone in 2020 but for COVID. A lot of people who voted against Trump for that single reason were very disappointed in Biden’s handling of the pandemic — he couldn’t just make it go away and people were frustrated when the fight over masks and public events and schools extended well beyond the availability of the vaccine.

When we when to the Sweet Sixteen in Philadelphia in 2022, I was stunned that the City was just tentatively emerging from COVID restrictions. People seemed freaked to mingle in restaurants, many of which were operating at half capacity with about a quarter of staffing. You want an explanation for the red shift in Blue States? That’s it.

We’ve memory-holed the pandemic but I’ve thought the last few years that the frustration and outrage about inflation has always been about more than the economic impact. A lot of people most outraged about it actually did better financially the last four years.

But in my opinion the inflation thing is also a stand-in for the thing no one wants to talk about anymore — the pandemic. Inflation was an obvious, lingering and unavoidable daily reminder of something everyone has been trying to forget. Electing Trump probably felt like resetting to January 2020, before everything else that followed. Start over where we were.

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.

Interesting post. My thought is that it has been difficult for Democrats to address the root causes of inflation (outside of corporate greed) without addressing the lockdowns. It was easier to blame only on corporate greed, which was only part of the story. You would need a really effective communicator - perhaps a Jeff Jackson - to give nuanced inflation take in a 45-second, easily digestible Tik Tok, without stirring up negative reactions around lockdowns, social distancing, etc.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

I’m of the opinion that fundamental rights should be granted by the federal government, and not willy nilly from state to state. Why should my (or my daughters) rights/protections end at a state line?

It shouldn't. I understand the argument, but SCOTUS decided the right to abort a pregnancy was not a constitutional right. There are folks out there that would say the unborn should have a right to life with some very few exceptions. I think States are best equipped to deal with this particular issue

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I really don't spend much time here. Has this board always been this infested with MAGA vermin?

Most were absent for the last month or two and suddenly reappeared last night.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

WTF are you talking about? After the Romney loss, they decided to burn down the country with Trump.

Well, the Paul Ryan types no longer have a constituency. The Republicans decided a different economic vision was needed after 40 years of Reaganomics.

 

[altmin]

So, lie to them, but with the Clintonesque “feel your pain” schtick?

Worked for Bill Clinton.

 

[circlesky88]

I really don't spend much time here. Has this board always been this infested with MAGA vermin?

They really only really showed up today

 

[Callatoroy]

It’s very frustrating that a very significant number of voters tend to think, “well, this candidate isn’t as perfect as I want my candidate to be, so I can’t vote for them” rather than, “this candidate will attempt to do x, while that candidate will attempt to do y, and I would prefer x over y.”

So you just described every trump voter I know. I don't know a single person who likes him. And, they (we) will all be glad when he is out of the political process.

 

[superrific]

The Democratic Party has to find a message that resonates with at least SOME working class whites.

There is none. They are out there talking about how the hurricanes were the result of weather control.

Look at Trump's campaign. How did he find a message to appeal to some working class whites? He didn't. His campaign the last month was pure grievance and hate. That's what we are up against. They hate us. This is the combined effect of 25 years of demonization.

The only thing we can do is make sure the MAGAs feel the FO part of FA instead of the people who are usually on the end of that stick.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

Well, the Paul Ryan types no longer have a constituency. The Republicans decided a different economic vision was needed after 40 years of Reaganomics.

Ah, yes. Tariffs. That will surely move wealth down the ranks of the citizenry.

 

[farce©]

Start over? How exactly do you see that working?

He doesn’t. He’s here trolling.

 

[Illithor]

 

[aGDevil2k]

A lot of blue state voters didn't show up right? It seems like states like NJ are missing 600k Dem voters, in states assumed she'd win.

Wasn't there record turnout for the swing states still?

Illinois sure as hell didnt come out to vote

 

[Callatoroy]

* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

More white men voted for Harris than Biden. Hispanic vote increased for Trump in a big way.

As did the black vote and the under 30 vote. Harris underperformed biden in many areas. Your subversion of the political process led to the choosing of a candidate that the dem voters overwhelmingly rejected in 2020 and wasn't given a choice in this election. Hand picked by a few people. That should make your side angry.

 

[Callatoroy]

I fucking feel bad for Ukraine that's for sure. Oh and all the fucking people who didn't vote for Harris b/c of Palestine are in for a rude fucking surprise. Palestine is fucked.

Palestine was fucked when they bent the knee to hamas.

 

[altmin]

Okay, well feel free to just pack it up then and we just won’t compete in any more elections.

I’ll still advocate for what I think is the winning position. Osborn outperformed Harris by almost ten points.

I know what you are trying to say, but I think it is less about not trying to compete and more about waiting for the GOP to break everything and the squishy middle deciding they are tired of this shit. I am beginning to think 99% of winning an election is just being the person running when the tired of this shit crowd decides it's time to switch. It doesn't matter if their lives are better under the system they are trying to get rid of, petty grievances fester and it comes to a head, be it logical or not.