OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

[Duke Mu]

Democrats keep allowing Republicans to bait them into defending stupid non-issues like trans men playing women's sports, or sex change surgery for trans prisoners. What did Trump say yesterday when asked how he voted on the Florida abortion bill? He said "stop talking about that," and ignored the question.

Democrats need to answer questions about stupid culture war issues with "that's ridiculous, the American people are concerned about kitchen table issues and that is the focus of our campaign." Just do not get drawn into fabricated culture war issues. If you see some bullshit is getting traction as the case of the trans prisoner surgeries, you simply say "the Biden Administration followed the exact same policy that the Trump administration did.....why aren't you asking Trump about this?" and move on.

FNC made kid [MOD EDIT for term many transgender people find hurtful] and DEI topics. Minors don't get trans surgery. There are rules about trans in sports. The boxer with Swyer syndrome was not a man.

The lies took. Truth didn't. Chimps > Bonobos

 

[hedge]

I’m not saying every analysis I make is right, but I think part of the issue is being dismissive of anything that runs counter to what you may already think.

I'm not being dismissive, just pointing out it's not rocket science figuring out how people who you've been in regular discussion with for months might react to any given situation. This includes you just as much as everybody else in here..

 

[wmheel1287]

I seriously hope you are not thinking clearly right now, and this is not what you truly mean.

I 100% mean it. I find both to be wholly unqualified to hold the office. Neither lives on planet earth. That doesn't mean I think they are equals. It just means I wouldn't vote for either.

 

[Callatoroy]

What do 2016 and 2024 have in common? A woman candidate.

2 HORRIBLE female candidates. By the left's on admission hillary was a bad candidate. harris just happened to be worse. At least hillary was intelligent and could form cohesive sentences. Your omission of how bad of candidates they were completely undermines your weak point.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

I went from feeling bad for Harris (probably heartbroken right now) to thinking…

Where the F is she? Radio silence from her campaign right now.

Does it matter what she has to say? Is the “dumb as a rock”, “evil”, “lazy”, “ho”, “c***t” suppose to speak words of unity? To whom should she say them? Who will heed them?

 

[Paine]

The country pretty clearly chose conservative policy over progress. Are you suggesting that Bernie's ability to speak plainly would've overcome the headwinds facing KH? It's an interesting proposition.

That’s exactly what I’m suggesting.

People want to be spoken plainly to and be told that their problems are real. Not told that the economy is good, actually. It feels like liberals are always speaking down to people.

 

[uncjhodges]

First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.

you’re a fucking idiot

 

[Duke Mu]

First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.

Trump abandoned both Syria and Afghanistan...making a deal with the Taliban for PROFIT. Trump weakened NATO and Putin underestimated their resolve.


The M.E has been having frequent wars and terrorism since 1947 including during Trump.

Putin was at war in Ukraine - since 2014 and invaded Georgia in 2009.

 

[Paine]

What do 2016 and 2024 have in common? A woman candidate.

Agreed that it played a role, but I don’t think that was decisive. Look at Hispanic voters for Hillary vs for Harris. There’s more to it than race and gender. We have to accept that or we won’t win another presidential election.

 

[mpaer]

First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.

Boy are you out it on the Foreign policy issues Do you like NATO?

 

[Paine]

LOL, this was not decided on the margins...

I mean, it was when you consider that it’s the same group of swing voters that swings every cycle. The hardcore racists voted Republican like they always have. Educated liberals voted Dem. It’s the others outside of those two bubbles that swing the election.

 

[mpaer]

I mean, it was when you consider that it’s the same group of swing voters that swings every cycle. The hardcore racists voted Republican like they always have. Educated liberals voted Dem. It’s the others outside of those two bubbles that swing the election.

This is true

 

[CHAMTRAIN]

Yep. With the GOP securing a solid Senate majority and likely keeping the House, a national abortion ban is definitely on the table, as are attacks on contraception, IVF, and other items. But when you vote for Trump and a Republican Congress this is what was going to happen, so it is apparently what most voters (including white women) wanted.

They will 100% try to out crazy each other. They have 2 years of unfettered governance ahead, who will be the sane voice in the room? Certainly not Trump.

 

[dukeman92]

Democrats keep allowing Republicans to bait them into defending stupid non-issues like trans men playing women's sports, or sex change surgery for trans prisoners. What did Trump say yesterday when asked how he voted on the Florida abortion bill? He said "stop talking about that," and ignored the question.

Democrats need to answer questions about stupid culture war issues with "that's ridiculous, the American people are concerned about kitchen table issues and that is the focus of our campaign." Just do not get drawn into fabricated culture war issues. If you see some bullshit is getting traction as the case of the trans prisoner surgeries, you simply say "the Biden Administration followed the exact same policy that the Trump administration did.....why aren't you asking Trump about this?" and move on.

The problem is that the rules are different for dems.

 

[CallMeTyler]

I mean, it was when you consider that it’s the same group of swing voters that swings every cycle. The hardcore racists voted Republican like they always have. Educated liberals voted Dem. It’s the others outside of those two bubbles that swing the election.

This wasn't a play for margins. Voters just didn't show up for KH.

 

[DiehardHeelFan]

Just my opinion but think for the most part, Dems look through a lense of empathy. How can we make America a better place and more inclusive and prosperous for all. Pubs* look through a lense of self pity and hate. How can America make my personal place better instead of that person over there. And of course less taxes regardless of who gets F’ed over to make that happen.

* no longer differentiate Pubs from MAGA. They’re the same. Trump doesn’t get elected with MAGA alone.

 

[BlooVooDoo]

That’s exactly what I’m suggesting.

People want to be spoken plainly to and be told that their problems are real. Not told that the economy is good, actually. It feels like liberals are always speaking down to people.

So, lie to them, but with the Clintonesque “feel your pain” schtick?

 

[Paine]

This wasn't a play for margins. Voters just didn't show up for KH.

What appears as a landslide is heavily dependent on marginal outcomes, IMO.

Marginal might not be exactly the best way to phrase it, but I guess what I’m trying to say is that the voters that swung the election to Trump aren’t people that are ideologically committed to anything really. I think Hispanic men would’ve voted for a Democrat who ran a more populist campaign.

It’s all optics and feelings, right? So leaning into the legitimate feeling of anger and alienation that the average American experiences is a supremely powerful political force.

 

[dukeman92]

Consider for a moment that George Wallace secured 19% of the electorate in 1968. We are very much going backwards.

 

[mpaer]

Just my opinion but think for the most part, Dems look through a lense of empathy. How can we make America a better place and more inclusive and prosperous for all. Pubs* look through a lense of self pity and hate. How can America make my personal place better instead of that person over there. And of course less taxes regardless of who gets F’ed over to make that happen.

* no longer differentiate Pubs from MAGA. They’re the same. Trump doesn’t get elected with MAGA alone.

Totally agree