OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Once we get past this and can reflect honestly, how much of this disaster is not an embrace of the Reprobate's policies, but an outright rejection by centrist Dems of the Democratic platform?
 
mpaer said:
And it was a Trump admin policy It really pisses me off the Dems waiting until Early Nov to try and point that out
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Not really a trump admin policy. Been in place since 76. If trump would have denied it he likely would have been overturned in court. Any changes would have required a legal battle. She actually fought for it in the CA state system and in 2019 while running for potus gave somewhat detailed support for it. The fact she would deflect when asked about it this time rather than stand on her supposed principles, imo, turned off some voters.
 
stankeylegjones said:
The you, and he, should know that responded with "the economy is great" to someone who's struggling to make ends meet is like slapping them in the face and telling them to stop complaining. It's a bold strategy, too bold for me.

And yes, Trump and the magats have no desire to fix it, which makes someone voting for them, as a shot in the dark because they are drowning, all the more sad.
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Great. You have identified what Democrats should not have done (tell people the economy is great). That's exactly why Kamala didn't do it; we have all been sitting here for weeks saying "it's a shame that the economy is good but Kamala can't campaign on it because people don't believe the economy is good and won't be convinced otherwise." That gets us no closer to the answer to the real question, which is what you think Dems were/are supposed to do or say about the economy.

And honestly, my suspicion is that a big part of what contributes to people saying they don't feel like the economy is good, or don't feel like they are doing better, is cultural anxiety as much as economic anxiety. I will basically guarantee you that if they poll the same people again in January 2025 - "do you feel like you're doing better now than you were three months ago?" - most of them will say "yes." Will they really be? Of course not. But they will "feel" that way because Trump won. Being on the winning side feels good to them. It won't make a damn bit of difference in their paycheck or spending power, and in fact will likely end up worse, but they're more concerned with feelings than reality. hence the apparent need to make an emotional, rather than rational, appeal to them.
 
wmheel1287 said:
I also quite literally said that I don’t hold them on the same level. Is your reading comprehension this stunted or are you intentionally misrepresenting me?
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I ignored that because it’s contrary and was giving you the benefit of the doubt. If you meant that then how do you explain the two?
 
lightbluenc said:
Yet the cultural issues are all coming from Republicans. And for them its cultural purity. So which is worse?

I get your point, but Dems do not care one bit who is trans, who isn't, what you do with your body, none of that. I don't care, everyone I know doesn't care, but Republicans act like we are forcing people to sleep with them. Its a non-issue. It'd be like if I got mad at Republicans who go to church and they sit in a pew too far back, or not close enough. Like I don't give af. Go to church, sit where you want, it doesnt affect me. Republicans craft these issues that don't even exist.

editing to add: I am not always trying to single you out, I think we'd have some great conversations together in person, I think a lot of what you say is on point
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Very well said
 
rodoheel said:
Great. You have identified what Democrats should not have done (tell people the economy is great). That's exactly why Kamala didn't do it; we have all been sitting here for weeks saying "it's a shame that the economy is good but Kamala can't campaign on it because people don't believe the economy is good and won't be convinced otherwise." That gets us no closer to the answer to the real question, which is what you think Dems were/are supposed to do or say about the economy.

And honestly, my suspicion is that a big part of what contributes to people saying they don't feel like the economy is good, or don't feel like they are doing better, is cultural anxiety as much as economic anxiety. I will basically guarantee you that if they poll the same people again in January 2025 - "do you feel like you're doing better now than you were three months ago?" - most of them will say "yes." Will they really be? Of course not. But they will "feel" that way because Trump won. Being on the winning side feels good to them. It won't make a damn bit of difference in their paycheck or spending power, and in fact will likely end up worse, but they're more concerned with feelings than reality. hence the apparent need to make an emotional, rather than rational, appeal to them.
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My comment was in response to super. I never said that Kamala said that. Now, you can argue she “did” by saying she wouldn’t change anything, but that is beside my point.
 
mpaer said:
Boy are you out it on the Foreign policy issues Do you like NATO?
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Like NATO? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Is NATO necessary? Without question and would not support pulling out of NATO for any reason. But NATO needs to up its game and I support trump's pushing that. We can get more out of NATO than we do. Do I think trump is serious about his comments regarding pulling out or not supporting NATO? Not at all. The republican party would never support that. It's nothing but trump sabre rattling to get NATO to do more.
 
Callatoroy said:
Like NATO? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Is NATO necessary? Without question and would not support pulling out of NATO for any reason. But NATO needs to up its game and I support trump's pushing that. We can get more out of NATO than we do. Do I think trump is serious about his comments regarding pulling out or not supporting NATO? Not at all. The republican party would never support that. It's nothing but trump sabre rattling to get NATO to do more.
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understand this logic, but the republican party now supports whatever trump says to support. so if he wanted to pull out they would support it.
 
finesse said:
Sure if you don't count the 45 combat deaths in Afghanistan or the missile attacks on Syria and such. But, that's fairly honest for your ilk.
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Nice failed attempt at equivalency. 45 deaths as part of a 20 yr. war on terror and firing some missles = tens of thousands dead in ukraine, russia, palestine, and israel. Again, the world was a better place during trump 1.0.
 
SCOTUS has inadvertently given us a way to save democracy if Joe Biden will just do the right thing...

He has absolute immunity in the "official" acts he takes as president. He must warn that the election of Donald Trump is a threat to our democratic republic and officially declare the election null and void in order to prevent a pogrom that will persecute and ethnically cleanse minority groups that have helped make this country great
 
fssheels said:
I think all the money was tied to their ticket so it had to be Biden or Harris. Or start over. Probably would have been better to start over.
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It was. But there was plenty of time if the dems had acted in 2022. All the evidence was there. It's self sabotage. I believe TDS was so strong that the money would have come in anyway had they picked a stronger candidate.
 
heelinhell said:
SCOTUS has inadvertently given us a way to save democracy if Joe Biden will just do the right thing...

He has absolute immunity in the "official" acts he takes as president. He must warn that the election of Donald Trump is a threat to our democratic republic and officially declare the election null and void in order to prevent a pogrom that will persecute and ethnically cleanse minority groups that have helped make this country great
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Biden should do all of this all in the name of democracy!
 
heelinhell said:
SCOTUS has inadvertently given us a way to save democracy if Joe Biden will just do the right thing...

He has absolute immunity in the "official" acts he takes as president. He must warn that the election of Donald Trump is a threat to our democratic republic and officially declare the election null and void in order to prevent a pogrom that will persecute and ethnically cleanse minority groups that have helped make this country great
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I have no doubt you would support that. Hypocrisy is a mere speed bump to many of you.
 
Callatoroy said:
Like NATO? Sometimes yes and sometimes no. Is NATO necessary? Without question and would not support pulling out of NATO for any reason. But NATO needs to up its game and I support trump's pushing that. We can get more out of NATO than we do. Do I think trump is serious about his comments regarding pulling out or not supporting NATO? Not at all. The republican party would never support that. It's nothing but trump sabre rattling to get NATO to do more.
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So sabre rattling is his strength I will grant that I am fearful he will do just the opposite in Ukraine. And China will know he cares not about Taiwan...All that scares me
 
Yeah what happens when milk and eggs are still the same price in March of next year? When rent is still astronomical? Do people still complain or does the media just say, inflation is over now because the administrations changed.
 
Batt Boy said:
Once we get past this and can reflect honestly, how much of this disaster is not an embrace of the Reprobate's policies, but an outright rejection by centrist Dems of the Democratic platform?
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This leads to a perception vs. reality discussion and requires acknowledgment of the effectiveness of conservative media in shaping perceptions.
 
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