OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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altmin said:
ground game
enthusiasm
small donors
war chest
rallies
supposedly disqualifying behavior
personal rights
coherent messaging


none of it matters over tribalism
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No, what matters is

cost of eggs and electricity and gas
supporting mandatory gun buy backs
Not supporting fracking
over-regulation
supporting open borders
supporting medicare for all (including illegal immigrants)
supporting men playing on women's teams
being weak on defense
competency and being able to conduct an intelligent interview
and actually being duly elected to run for potus, not hand picked

It has nothing to do with tribalism and everything to do with those points
 
Duke Mu said:
I guess. However, virtually every Ted Cruz add I saw went:

Transgender

Border

Liberal

Transgender in the Military

Texas Values

Border

Did I say Transgender?



The ads never mentioned Inflation. Trump rarely mentioned inflation over the last 3 weeks.

Who will suffer?

Women

Children

POC

Teachers

Working Class

Elderly (when there are SS, Medicare cuts)
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Yeah, Trump voters can say it's about inflation and the economy all they want, and it may have been for some, but I have no doubt that the main driver of Trump voters was the culture wars. Cutting taxes and inflation isn't what gets Trumpers fired up and out of the bed in the mornings - it's culture war issues, especially anything dealing with the LGBTQ community and women's rights and promoting diversity. They simply hate all that with a passion, plain and simple.
 
Callatoroy said:
As did the black vote and the under 30 vote. Harris underperformed biden in many areas. Your subversion of the political process led to the choosing of a candidate that the dem voters overwhelmingly rejected in 2020 and wasn't given a choice in this election. Hand picked by a few people. That should make your side angry.
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What are you talking about? You have no idea who I voted for.
 
lightbluenc said:
Which started in 2018 during Trump's term.
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And Trump wasn’t forced to defend it at every turn.

So what’s at the core of this? I think it goes back to the messaging thing again. The trans issue is bad for Dems because it reinforces negative images that working class people have about the Democratic Party. That they are overly concerned with cultural issues and not concerned enough with people’s everyday economic circumstances.

The trans issue becomes neutered in the face of an economically populist Democratic Party, IMO. They have to change their image of cultural elitism.
 
BlueSteel said:
Notably, what I don't see is any "rigged election" accusations coming from the losing side. I didn't hear of any "stop the count!" demands last night when Harris was barely holding the lead in PA. I don't see any whiny refusals accept the election results. I don't see anyone trying to push misinformation about voter fraud. And I sure as hell haven't heard about Harris trying to manufacture fake votes in key battleground states they lost. How utterly refreshing.
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Yep. There were some conservatives on here predicting violence from "the left" if Trump won, and I haven't seen anything anywhere. To the contrary, I fear that the more common response from liberals will be to simply give up on politics and quit caring altogether. I've heard that from a great many liberals, and frankly that's how I feel myself. If this is what most Americans really want - and it's clear that it is - just let them have it, and suffer the consequences. I feel terrible for minorities and poor people who are going to suffer, but given that liberals no longer have any power to stop Trumpers from doing whatever the hell they want, let them do what they want and see what happens.
 
Centerpiece said:
So if this holds true, Trump didn't add any votes, but didn't lose any... and this whole "get out the vote-ground game" of Kamala's simply didn't produce. Too many people on that side of the aisle stayed home or voted 3rd party
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It's the immovable object vs irresistible force. It seems like there is a serious lack of enthusiasm for Kamala... but you'd think that the fear of Trump would drive everyone to vote as it did in 2020.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Vance already gave that away with his "normal gays" comment - we (gay guys) are boring old news. They want to demonize trans folks in bathrooms and sports. That's their new boogeyman because no one cares about gays and gay marriage.
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But I do think they care about gays and gay marriage, and I think they'll use attacks on transgenders as a wedge to attack the entire LGBTQ community. It's already happened in Florida, where banning discussions of transgenders in elementary schools very quickly morphed into banning discussions on LGBTQ topics at all, right up through high school.
 
lightbluenc said:
The media blaming the voters has already begun, where they helped cause this, yet again.

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I don't really blame the media for being upset. They tried to tell people. You can make all the complaints you want about tone, elitism, fact-checking, etc, but conservatives have relentlessly sought to undermine the media for years not because any of that, but because they didn't want to be held accountable for telling lies. They succeeded, both through propaganda and the effects of the internet. The legacy media is irrelevant now to most Americans. Just remember when you hear conservatives trying to keep up their whining about "the media" being after them that they control the real media now - Musk, Rogan, Carlson, etc. Those guys have been having fun being the outsiders and underdogs, but that shtick doesn't work anymore when you have the biggest microphone and platform.
 
There are two critical segments of the voting population--who went for Trump--that I think cost Harris the election. (1) Men who are (a) Latino, (b) Islamic, or (c) members of the young "Bro" culture who, just could not bring themselves to vote for a woman regardless of how much they may have agreed with her actual positions. 2. Women who simply cannot conceive of a situation where they or theirs will every need or want to have an abortion. I believe the shift in votes from these two groups from Blue to Red, regardless of how much their interests alined with Harris's position (except for the noted items), was the difference in the election.
 
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fssheels said:
* Trump wins 59% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 39%. Trump's share is down two percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.

More white men voted for Harris than Biden. Hispanic vote increased for Trump in a big way.
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Whoa. Surprise of the AM for me right there.
 
Paine said:
And Trump wasn’t forced to defend it at every turn.

So what’s at the core of this? I think it goes back to the messaging thing again. The trans issue is bad for Dems because it reinforces negative images that working class people have about the Democratic Party. That they are overly concerned with cultural issues and not concerned enough with people’s everyday economic circumstances.

The trans issue becomes neutered in the face of an economically populist Democratic Party, IMO. They have to change their image of cultural elitism.
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Yet the cultural issues are all coming from Republicans. And for them its cultural purity. So which is worse?

I get your point, but Dems do not care one bit who is trans, who isn't, what you do with your body, none of that. I don't care, everyone I know doesn't care, but Republicans act like we are forcing people to sleep with them. Its a non-issue. It'd be like if I got mad at Republicans who go to church and they sit in a pew too far back, or not close enough. Like I don't give af. Go to church, sit where you want, it doesnt affect me. Republicans craft these issues that don't even exist.

editing to add: I am not always trying to single you out, I think we'd have some great conversations together in person, I think a lot of what you say is on point
 
rodoheel said:
I don't really blame the media for being upset. They tried to tell people. You can make all the complaints you want about tone, elitism, fact-checking, etc, but conservatives have relentlessly sought to undermine the media for years not because any of that, but because they didn't want to be held accountable for telling lies. They succeeded, both through propaganda and the effects of the internet. The legacy media is irrelevant now to most Americans. Just remember when you hear conservatives trying to keep up their whining about "the media" being after them that they control the real media now - Musk, Rogan, Carlson, etc. Those guys have been having fun being the outsiders and underdogs, but that shtick doesn't work anymore when you have the biggest microphone and platform.
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They tried telling people a week ago so they could claim that. There was two years of treating Trump with kid gloves before that. Why should anyone believe them at the last minute?
 
Icky Mettle said:
Yeah, Biden generally did great. People are idiots and either didn’t understand how things work/what was happening in the world or were fed disinformation or both. One major problem with Biden, however, is that he absolutely sucked as a communicator, so he could never present himself in a charismatic way that could many Americans to buy into what he had accomplished.
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lightbluenc said:
Yet the cultural issues are all coming from Republicans. And for them its cultural purity. So which is worse?

I get your point, but Dems do not care one bit who is trans, who isn't, what you do with your body, none of that. I don't care, everyone I know doesn't care, but Republicans act like we are forcing people to sleep with them. Its a non-issue. It'd be like if I got mad at Republicans who go to church and they sit in a pew too far back, or not close enough. Like I don't give af. Go to church, sit where you want, it doesnt affect me. Republicans craft these issues that don't even exist.

editing to add: I am not always trying to single you out, I think we'd have some great conversations together in person, I think a lot of what you say is on point
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No worries man, I know you’re not singling me out.

I agree that we’re having some good convos. I often feel I would have much better convos with a lot of y’all in person.
 
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