OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

[lightbluenc]

It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.

It also helps to have a brash, loud and charismatic person saying them Someone people want to hang out with.

 

[superrific]

Yes, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, St. Louis, and many more. Shit holes filled with poverty and crime and all dem controlled for years. California is just creating all kinds of wealth. 5th largest economy in the world. And half a trillion dollars in debt equaling a debt ratio of 106% and with a net migration loss due to dem policies. The poor in those areas have been promised the world over decades only to see Lucy pull the ball away again. It’s all changing though.

When have you been to any of those cities? Ever? You have no idea what you're talking about but that never stops you.

And the idea that they are "Dem" controlled is ignorant. The Republican strategy in those states has been to run against the black people living in those cities. Detroit didn't go south because of Dems. It went south because the state, ruled by Republicans for a very long time, intentionally sabotaged it. Same with Cleveland and Gary.

Also, what about Dem controlled cities that have prospered? Like Pittsburgh? Or Houston? Or Denver?

This shit gets so exhausting. What you are really saying here is, "I'm a racist whose view of the world is shaped by right-wing propaganda, and thus I am going to spew nonsense about cities I know nothing about, because doing so confirms my beliefs and hatred for black people." That is the intellectual content of your post. That's all. Your factual claims are laughable.

 

[He's Not Here]

This. And I would add that we live in the era of comic book movies. Good guys versus bad guys. Liberals aren't programmed to think that way because, well, we matured after adolescence. But that's what we need. Good guys and bad guys.

I mean, we had some messaging like that. I remember when, in American politics, it used to be bad to be a Nazi. Not so much any more. I also remember when people liked vaccines, and campaigning on eliminating them would have been seen as bad. But that was before the economic anxieties of working class people thriving in a prosperous economy just forced them to vote for Trump for reasons unrelated to anything except their own financial situation.

Someone earlier said tell stories with a villain. I would add a hero to that- but the point still stands.

Trump’s story simply said, “The economy’s bad - Biden broke it. I’ll fix it.”

Kamala tried to paint Trump as the victim, but didn’t paint herself as the hero and didn’t really fit it into a story.

 

[heelinhell]

It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.

Yes

GQPers are very good at messaging
Dems are horrible at messaging

GQPers are horrible at governing
Dems are very good at governing

Unfortunately, we live in a country that values messaging over governing...

 

[superrific]

Someone earlier said tell stories with a villain. I would add a hero to that- but the point still stands.

Trump’s story simply said, “The economy’s bad - Biden broke it. I’ll fix it.”

Well, hero was implied but you are correct.

Except that wasn't Trump's story. I can't understand why people are just looking past . . . well, everything the Trump campaign said and did. The villains in Trump's story are dark skinned people with ties to other countries, and the liberals who let them in to do Great Replacement stuff.

And "they." "They" is quite possible the most important and certainly the most powerful villain in Trump's narrative. You can never forget about "they." "They" are real bastards.

 

[BlueSmoke]

Yes

GQPers are very good at messaging
Dems are horrible at messaging

GQPers are horrible at governing
Dems are very good at governing

Unfortunately, we live in a country that values messaging over governing...

Messaging and how to do it is a complicated subject, but when done well it is simplified as much as possible.

But to add to your comments: Let's suppose there are two companies in the market selling the same product. One company, the Dems are really bad at messaging. So if you are in charge of messaging for the other company, the GOP then what do you do? Or how complicated do you need to make it?

 

[Kraftyheel89]

Im a self proclaimed communist?

My apologies Paine. Someone proudly posted they were a Communist. Obviously my mistake thinking that was you.

 

[GQNC]

Im a self proclaimed communist?

All jokes aside, my politics are closer to “democratic communist” than Democrat or Republican.

Not KraftyHeel, but you did post this ^ in another thread.

 

[Gmonet]

Yes, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, St. Louis, and many more. Shit holes filled with poverty and crime and all dem controlled for years. California is just creating all kinds of wealth. 5th largest economy in the world. And half a trillion dollars in debt equaling a debt ratio of 106% and with a net migration loss due to dem policies. The poor in those areas have been promised the world over decades only to see Lucy pull the ball away again. It’s all changing though.

 

[Kraftyheel89]

I find it interesting that when Trump and MAGA lost or challenged, mainstream media was called "fake news." Now the Dems git crushed across the board and everyone is blaming the media.

I know, I know, any firm of not towing one side party line is "bo-siding" but I am just stating the obvious here.

The next line of rebuke is the "false equivalency." Yes I know, nobody has posted the media is the enemy of the people here. But goodness, it's only been a month or so of media scapegoating so far.

 

[dukeman92]

I think this needs to alarm a lot of us, that the news coverage a good portion of us consume is not being as straightforward as we need it to be. They harped on all those things Scott Jennings said, and it made us feel like the entire country thought the same thing. We need waaaay less sensational news and more direct reporting out of the major networks we get news from.

I'm just going to stop consuming news from places like CNN when they continue to give people like Scott Jennings a platform.

 

[Callatoroy]

This. And I would add that we live in the era of comic book movies. Good guys versus bad guys. Liberals aren't programmed to think that way because, well, we matured after adolescence. But that's what we need. Good guys and bad guys.

I mean, we had some messaging like that. I remember when, in American politics, it used to be bad to be a Nazi. Not so much any more. I also remember when people liked vaccines, and campaigning on eliminating them would have been seen as bad. But that was before the economic anxieties of working class people thriving in a prosperous economy just forced them to vote for Trump for reasons unrelated to anything except their own financial situation.

What you guys don’t understand is that nobody outside of your bubble mates takes your name calling seriously anymore. You have so misused and over used them that it is almost meme-like. Disagree with open borders = racist. Don’t agree with Harris (Obama) = racist and misogynist. Support trump = fascist, nazi, misogynist. Nobody gives a fuck anymore about your overdramatized name calling. It serves nothing but creating hatred towards your cause. You are dismissed as not serious and unintelligent. Every time a national news personality, politician, or celebrity called trump a fascist I bet you lost voters. You guys who do that are overly dramatic and pathetic. By all means keep it up though because it seems to work wonders for republicans in national elections.

 

[Callatoroy]

I find it interesting that when Trump and MAGA lost or challenged, mainstream media was called "fake news." Now the Dems git crushed across the board and everyone is blaming the media.

I know, I know, any firm of not towing one side party line is "bo-siding" but I am just stating the obvious here.

The next line of rebuke is the "false equivalency." Yes I know, nobody has posted the media is the enemy of the people here. But goodness, it's only been a month or so of media scapegoating so far.

Well your media did mislead you so you can decide if they are your enemy or not.

 

[hedge]

Soooo, nihilism?

It's what's for breakfast...

 

[EhringhausSouth]

Is Trump still not going to collect taxes on overtime on people who collect over 100,000 dollars a year in overtime?

I hope not. I can't get overtime in my job as a public school teacher, but I am good with other folks working their tail off and not getting taxed after the first 40 hours. I think this policy might make the country even more productive. I remember growing up, my dad worked shift work and was always giving away his overtime. He would often say "the more I make the more they take" he didn't feel like it was worth his time to go much past 40 hours due to the taxes. Of course he sometimes did, but often let others have it of they wanted it. Let folks have hours 41 and beyond at 100%. I think its fair. No reason to tax tips either. Let people keep it in their pocket.

 

[finesse]

I hope not. I can't get overtime in my job as a public school teacher, but I am good with other folks working their tail off and not getting taxed after the first 40 hours. I think this policy might make the country even more productive. I remember growing up, my dad worked shift work and was always giving away his overtime. He would often say "the more I make the more they take" he didn't feel like it was worth his time to go much past 40 hours due to the taxes. Of course he sometimes did, but often let others have it of they wanted it. Let folks have hours 41 and beyond at 100%. I think its fair. No reason to tax tips either. Let people keep it in their pocket.

I'm not terribly opposed to the concept but I am seriously opposed to these people and people like them being rewarded. You see reports of stuff like this in city and state agencies all over but I can't find much I can trust. Seems like people are really hesitant to talk about it.

OP-ED: Excessive MTA employee overtime continues year after year

Recent news reported overtime for MTA employees grew to a record $1.4 billion in 2023.

www.masstransitmag.com

 

[rodoheel]

I remember growing up, my dad worked shift work and was always giving away his overtime. He would often say "the more I make the more they take" he didn't feel like it was worth his time to go much past 40 hours due to the taxes.

What do you think he meant by this? Did he just not understand how the marginal tax brackets worked?

 

[superrific]

What you guys don’t understand is that nobody outside of your bubble mates takes your name calling seriously anymore.

Literally all the world's experts on authoritarianism have described Trump that way. Well, almost all. I don't know every single one. Is John Kelly in my media bubble? What about all the other people who worked for Trump and say that he's an authoritarian and a fascist? Why does Trump always make a point of talking about how much he loves authoritarians? If Trump is not a fascist, why does he talk longingly about Xi who rules China with an iron fist? Is he just lying to you? If so, why does he think you will respond positively?

The media bubble is you, dude. I don't even consume all that much media. When I can, I go to the primary source. I know, that's foreign to you. I never watch TV news. Never in my life.

I can't wait for you to get your comeuppance. Your side declared war on people like me. When the shit hits the fan and you're out of a job and prices are going up by 15-20% a year and the Pubs have cut the safety net and you have no unemployment benefits or health insurance, I will have zero sympathy for you. I would rather laugh in your face.

And then Dem politicians, who are less spiteful than I have become, will come in and offer to fix it for you despite everything you've done. When the shit hits the fan, as it did in 08, plenty of you people will vote for Dems because you need to. And then, when the crisis is solved, you'll be back where you are now. We've done this before, too many times.

 

[finesse]

Literally all the world's experts on authoritarianism have described Trump that way. Well, almost all. I don't know every single one. Is John Kelly in my media bubble? What about all the other people who worked for Trump and say that he's an authoritarian and a fascist? Why does Trump always make a point of talking about how much he loves authoritarians? If Trump is not a fascist, why does he talk longingly about Xi who rules China with an iron fist? Is he just lying to you? If so, why does he think you will respond positively?

The media bubble is you, dude. I don't even consume all that much media. When I can, I go to the primary source. I know, that's foreign to you. I never watch TV news. Never in my life.

I can't wait for you to get your comeuppance. Your side declared war on people like me. When the shit hits the fan and you're out of a job and prices are going up by 15-20% a year and the Pubs have cut the safety net and you have no unemployment benefits or health insurance, I will have zero sympathy for you. I would rather laugh in your face.

And then Dem politicians, who are less spiteful than I have become, will come in and offer to fix it for you despite everything you've done. When the shit hits the fan, as it did in 08, plenty of you people will vote for Dems because you need to. And then, when the crisis is solved, you'll be back where you are now. We've done this before, too many times.

I think this time they have buyers for the country.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.

Democrats used to be great at boiling down their ideas to very simple and direct messages: FDR & The New Deal, JFK & The New Frontier, LBJ & The Great Society, etc. Part of FDR's political genius was his ability in his radio fireside chats to take complex ideas and programs and break them down to simple messaging. When he described the Lend-Lease program to Britain in a fireside chat, he explained it by saying that if your neighbor's house caught on fire and you had a hose that they could use to put out the fire, wouldn't it make sense to lend them the hose so they could put out the fire before it reached your house? Democrats were once masters of messaging to the masses, but not so much recently.