OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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HeelingAg said:
But since we know lying doesn’t matter, it’s time to promise everyone $100,000, a new F150, $50,000 for a down payment, and an ironclad guarantee we’ll hurt the people you hate.
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What did Harris promise that she couldn’t deliver? $20, 000 forgivable loans lol. Do you guys ever stop to think before you post something like this that gee I better make sure my side isn’t doing the same thing because I’d be a hypocrite for not calling it out to? Democrats have been buying votes with promises they can’t deliver on for decades. Long enough to make a sizable portion of the country dependent on the G’ment. It’s your standard. Just look at all the shit hole cities controlled by dems for decades. That’s ok though because the black and Latino communities are starting to wise up and shun the democrat’s crack of buying their votes and under delivering
 
BlueSteel said:
We all know Elon is going to be the R nominee in 2028, right? He will be next to carry the torch, and unless there are some landmark changes in the D party's strategy, he'll win by a larger margin that Trump just did.

Rupert Murdoch has won. His long-game plan actually worked. And here we are.
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Elon’s gonna need a constitutional amendment to make that happen
 
aGDevil2k said:
You think

a) an amendment can pass?
b) the GOP would DARE open the doors for non natural born citizens to be POTUS? After this last cycle of vitriol??? I wish they would try
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If I've learned anything through this election cycle, it's that there's nothing—absolutely nothing—that MAGA might do that would surprise me anymore. Now that they have full fucking control of the country, even moreso.
 
Callatoroy said:
What did Harris promise that she couldn’t deliver? $20, 000 forgivable loans lol. Do you guys ever stop to think before you post something like this that gee I better make sure my side isn’t doing the same thing because I’d be a hypocrite for not calling it out to? Democrats have been buying votes with promises they can’t deliver on for decades. Long enough to make a sizable portion of the country dependent on the G’ment. It’s your standard. Just look at all the shit hole cities controlled by dems for decades. That’s ok though because the black and Latino communities are starting to wise up and shun the democrat’s crack of buying their votes and under delivering
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Promising things you can’t deliver that somehow still makes people dependent on the government. Quite a party trick.
 
tallheel95 said:
Pondering things this morning… the results of this election just shows you that Pete Buttegieg will never see the inside of the White House. Dems will probably foolishly nominate him because they believe in “the better angels”. Honestly Mark Cuban is probably our best shot at 2028, since he is a rich white man on tv. I’m being very serious with all of these statements. America has let me down.

ETA Dems will be hard pressed to win a presidential election going forward with the trifecta of Fox News, Twitter and Joe Rogan on the R team. Local and state elections are not as corrupted by these media outlets.
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Those weren’t the media sources lying to you. You were lied to by msnbc, cnn, cbs, nbc, abc, NYT, wapo. They are the ones telling you reports of Biden being a vegetable were false and fabricated. They were the ones publishing bullshit polls. Do you not remember any of that? Are you ok with all the lies they fed you? If so then don’t complain about being the fool.
 
1moretimeagain said:
Promising things you can’t deliver that somehow still makes people dependent on the government. Quite a party trick.
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Pretty impressive isn’t it. Otherwise no logical reason why the black community heavily voted for Dems for decades. Things are changing though. Trump has shown that.
 
Callatoroy said:
Just look at all the shit hole cities controlled by dems for decades.
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Yep, there it is, folks. It's all about the economic anxiety. They just didn't like the inflation, you see. If only we reached out to MAGA world to build a center left multiracial coalition of working people.

That you can use the word shit hole to describe American cities is astonishing -- almost as astonishing as your fucking self-righteousness. The shit hole cities are where the wealth is created. Without American cities, the American economy is basically Brazil or Russia.

The reality of the American economy is this: the liberal states create the wealth, and the conservative states take a big cut because of the Senate. And that's OK with me for a number of reasons. It does start to become irritating when the taker states then decide it's the cities that are the problem.
 
Callatoroy said:
Pretty impressive isn’t it. Otherwise no logical reason why the black community heavily voted for Dems for decades. Things are changing though. Trump has shown that.
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lol. Yes, no other reason black people would have preferred Democrats over the 50 years.
 
altmin said:
Also had Elon spending without care
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She had more billionaire support than did trump but all anyone seems to care about is Elon. Zuckerberg, soros , both gates, jobs, brin, Lucas, Spielberg, Oprah, Bloomberg, etc. seems like sour grapes to complain about Elon.
 
Callatoroy said:
She had more billionaire support than did trump but all anyone seems to care about is Elon. Zuckerberg, soros , both gates, jobs, brin, Lucas, Spielberg, Oprah, Bloomberg, etc. seems like sour grapes to complain about Elon.
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What did Zuckerberg donate to the Harris campaign/PACs?
 
superrific said:
No, he will not. He will only need a Supreme Court decision.
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How are they going to interpret “natural born citizen” to include “naturalized citizen”? They gonna use the Privileges and Immunites Clause?

I just can’t see the three liberals, Roberts, Kav or Barrett going for that. Or for that matter, even the coo-coo three, as it would be a huge affront to their historical textualism.

Of course, who knows who would be on the Court when Elon wants to run. But I think it is more likely you could amend the constitution (it is kind of a dumb rule) than get the Court to amend it for you.

On the presidential immunity case, they were basically free to make up law. There wasn’t constitutional language directly on point. Here, it would be a much bigger reach.
 
SnoopRob said:
You're a much more educated voter than 80% or more of the electorate.

Dems have got to let go of the idea that if the general public just knew what we know, that they'd all understand and vote Dem.

It might be true, but the general public is too stupid, too lazy, and too distracted to become knowledgeable. Instead, Dems are going to have to be able to speak in short phrases and small words about economic issues in a way that resonates with the general public.
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It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.
 
Calheel said:
How are they going to interpret “natural born citizen” to include “naturalized citizen”? They gonna use the Privileges and Immunites Clause?

I just can’t see the three liberals, Roberts, Kav or Barrett going for that. Or for that matter, even the coo-coo three, as it would be a huge affront to their historical textualism.

Of course, who knows who would be on the Court when Elon wants to run. But I think it is more likely you could amend the constitution (it is kind of a dumb rule) than get the Court to amend it for you.

On the presidential immunity case, they were basically free to make up law. There wasn’t constitutional language directly on point. Here, it would be a much bigger reach.
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I didn't say he would necessarily get that decision, but that would be the path forward. An amendment would take longer than his political moment.

I've stopped assigning a 0% probability to any right-wing outcome from the Supreme Court. Anything is possible. We are talking about different levels of possibility.

It wasn't only the presidential immunity case where they just made up law. That's basically their MO, now. Equal dignity, major questions, whatever the fuck Bruen is, whatever stupidity caused them to overrule the limitations period on APA challenges that has been commonly understood for almost a century, etc. It's a bigger surprise when they follow the law than when they don't.
 
superrific said:
Yep, there it is, folks. It's all about the economic anxiety. They just didn't like the inflation, you see. If only we reached out to MAGA world to build a center left multiracial coalition of working people.

That you can use the word shit hole to describe American cities is astonishing -- almost as astonishing as your fucking self-righteousness. The shit hole cities are where the wealth is created. Without American cities, the American economy is basically Brazil or Russia.

The reality of the American economy is this: the liberal states create the wealth, and the conservative states take a big cut because of the Senate. And that's OK with me for a number of reasons. It does start to become irritating when the taker states then decide it's the cities that are the problem.
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Yes, Detroit, Oakland, Baltimore, St. Louis, and many more. Shit holes filled with poverty and crime and all dem controlled for years. California is just creating all kinds of wealth. 5th largest economy in the world. And half a trillion dollars in debt equaling a debt ratio of 106% and with a net migration loss due to dem policies. The poor in those areas have been promised the world over decades only to see Lucy pull the ball away again. It’s all changing though.
 
He's Not Here said:
It’s what I call the bumper sticker messaging. Republicans are great at it.
Drill baby drill
Kamala’s for they/them; trumps for you

When you have no policy and aren’t bothered by the truth, messaging gets a lot easier.

Dems have to find a way to boil the policies down to just a few words. Once they’ve done that- repeat them ad-nauseam.
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This. And I would add that we live in the era of comic book movies. Good guys versus bad guys. Liberals aren't programmed to think that way because, well, we matured after adolescence. But that's what we need. Good guys and bad guys.

I mean, we had some messaging like that. I remember when, in American politics, it used to be bad to be a Nazi. Not so much any more. I also remember when people liked vaccines, and campaigning on eliminating them would have been seen as bad. But that was before the economic anxieties of working class people thriving in a prosperous economy just forced them to vote for Trump for reasons unrelated to anything except their own financial situation.
 
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