OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Not sure I disagree with you to a certain extent. Skeptical the Democratic party will ever actually have 'control' over the biggest guns if/when strife breaks out. FFS, Flynn or Patel might be SOD.

I think near term holding to some high ground may help when the dam breaks if we aren't too far gone. Tariffs->inflation->world trade disruption (OMG if China gets TSMC)->reserve currency abdication->hyperinflation could be - gulp - our best hope. I'd absolutely DARE Trump to do the things he said and mock him if he doesn't. He's starting at the peak economically speaking, won't take much to start things rolling down hill. And as artful a dodger as he is, worldwide depression due to his policies would be tough to blame on Haitians:)
 
Heather Cox Richardson on the election outcome.
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com

November 6, 2024

Yesterday, November 5, 2024, Americans reelected former president Donald Trump, a Republican, to the presidency over Democratic candidate Vice President Kamala Harris.
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dukeman92 said:
Already on the phone with Victor Orbán. Smh… we are so fucked.

Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orbán, considered an ally of Russian President Vladimir Putin, says he has "big plans" with President-elect Donald Trump after the Republican completed his political comeback on Tuesday

www.newsweek.com

Putin ally Orban says he and Donald Trump have "big plans"

Trump has praised Orbán for being "a great man" who is disliked by some because he is "too strong."
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Lol he thinks Hungary is important at all
 
On the total votes, I think it's clear this was a change election like it's been around the world... Brutal for incumbents

BUT for a lot of people, they wanted change but still didn't like Trump. Those people stayed home and that's the drop in Harris voters and that's the election
 
Pondering things this morning… the results of this election just shows you that Pete Buttegieg will never see the inside of the White House. Dems will probably foolishly nominate him because they believe in “the better angels”. Honestly Mark Cuban is probably our best shot at 2028, since he is a rich white man on tv. I’m being very serious with all of these statements. America has let me down.

ETA Dems will be hard pressed to win a presidential election going forward with the trifecta of Fox News, Twitter and Joe Rogan on the R team. Local and state elections are not as corrupted by these media outlets.
 
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tallheel95 said:
Pondering things this morning… the results of this election just shows you that Pete Buttegieg will never see the inside of the White House. Dems will probably foolishly nominate him because they believe in “the better angels”. Honestly Mark Cuban is probably our best shot at 2028, since he is a rich white man on tv. I’m being very serious with all of these statements. America has let me down.
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I think this is completely valid.
 
aGDevil2k said:
On the total votes, I think it's clear this was a change election like it's been around the world... Brutal for incumbents

BUT for a lot of people, they wanted change but still didn't like Trump. Those people stayed home and that's the drop in Harris voters and that's the election
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Some interesting speculation that traditionial "get out the vote" door knocking just doesn't work anymore I think the "get out the vote " was really good-it just didn't work So now what????
 
mpaer said:
Fact check please . I heard earlier today trump will get a couple million votes Less than in 2020 . Harris will receive up to 15 million votes less than Biden
So Turnout??????
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Once all the votes are counted, it appears there will be a dip in turnout but virtually all of it will come out of votes cast for Democrats.
 
The majority of our country doesn’t understand how fascism works. Divide and conquer. Use fear and prejudice as your tools. Promise to deliver peace and prosperity. Isolate the country from the world community and place power and control in the hands of a privileged few. Americans think it can’t happen here. We thought Hitler was a silly little man with a funny mustache until it was too late.
 
mynameisbond said:
The majority of our country doesn’t understand how fascism works. Divide and conquer. Use fear and prejudice as your tools. Promise to deliver peace and prosperity. Isolate the country from the world community and place power and control in the hands of a privileged few. Americans think it can’t happen here. We thought Hitler was a silly little man with a funny mustache until it was too late.
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We don't know how it works because we've never had it here. And there is an enormous complacency across most of the population - not just conservatives but moderates and even some liberals - that it will never happen here. And I think they're dead wrong, but I guess they're going to have to learn the hard way. The Constitution and Bill of Rights can be subverted. Our military can be turned against American citizens. Our freedoms can be taken away. But good luck trying to convince the great bulk of the population of that. They're going to have to see it and experience it firsthand before they'll begin to believe it, and by then it's usually too late.
 
mynameisbond said:
The majority of our country doesn’t understand how fascism works. Divide and conquer. Use fear and prejudice as your tools. Promise to deliver peace and prosperity. Isolate the country from the world community and place power and control in the hands of a privileged few. Americans think it can’t happen here. We thought Hitler was a silly little man with a funny mustache until it was too late.
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It's okay. Their about to find out how fascism works. The question is, will they care? I'm not so sure they will.
 
mpaer said:
Some interesting speculation that traditionial "get out the vote" door knocking just doesn't work anymore I think the "get out the vote " was really good-it just didn't work So now what????
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I’m not sure campaigns really matter at all. There are just too many sources of information now. Kamala ran a really good traditional campaign. Trump’s campaign strategy was a disaster. But I seriously doubt any of it made a difference. TV ads are probably still worth it on some level, but I’m skeptical about the brick and mortar campaign model going forward.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
We don't know how it works because we've never had it here. And there is an enormous complacency across most of the population - not just conservatives but moderates and even some liberals - that it will never happen here. And I think they're dead wrong, but I guess they're going to have to learn the hard way. The Constitution and Bill of Rights can be subverted. Our military can be turned against American citizens. Our freedoms can be taken away. But good luck trying to convince the great bulk of the population of that. They're going to have to see it and experience it firsthand before they'll begin to believe it, and by then it's usually too late.
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Ask the average American " What is fascism ? " and they will respond, "the study of faces ? no, wait... the study of fashions. "
 
stankeylegjones said:
Super, you are continuing to demonstrate an inability to understand/see things through their lens. This disconnect is a major reason why she lost. Chalking it up to "she's a woman and that is why she lost," is lazy-think.
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Not agreeing with super but let's talk about how to read a Lowe's or HD parking lot.

If it's compact and lowered, it's a boy or girl's toy.

If it's raised without a camper or tool box, it is either a toy, a farmer or rancher. If it's clean and pimped out, probably the first. Probably not middle class

Normal without a tool box is a supervisor or errand boy. Look at the trim package. With a tool box , a foreman or a person doing a punch list.

A dually is generally a mason, almost always with a crew cab or a horse person. Look for the gooseneck hitch. These people are not middle class.

Most of the serious tradesmen will be driving something with a ladder rack, mostly vans for weather protection, security and carrying capacity. Ladder racks for painters, roofers and carpenters. A combination ladder and pipe rack for plumbers and electricians.

Another rule of thumb, if it's not dented or scratched, it's not a work truck. Once saw a guy drive up and park at Fitch in a brand new truck. He got out and put in his order, drove over to the lumber rack. He and his helper got out. He took a hammer and put a dent right in the middle of the top of the tail gate and told his helper that this was a work truck and he didn't have time to worry about who put the first dent or scratch on it.

Obviously, this is neither comprehensive nor completely accurate but it is true that a lot of those gas guzzlers are for the working class. I don't care who or why people own them but a lot of the expenses on a work vehicle are deductible and the others can complain to someone who cares.
 
aGDevil2k said:
On the total votes, I think it's clear this was a change election like it's been around the world... Brutal for incumbents

BUT for a lot of people, they wanted change but still didn't like Trump. Those people stayed home and that's the drop in Harris voters and that's the election
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Doesn't look like Trump is going to reach his 2020 total of 74 million...a good sign, I guess.

Kamala isn't going to be within a mile of Biden's 2020 total. Last I saw, she was still 67-68 million.
 
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