OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Mulberry Heel said:
Democrats used to be great at boiling down their ideas to very simple and direct messages: FDR & The New Deal, JFK & The New Frontier, LBJ & The Great Society, etc. Part of FDR's political genius was his ability in his radio fireside chats to take complex ideas and programs and break them down to simple messaging. When he described the Lend-Lease program to Britain in a fireside chat, he explained it by saying that if your neighbor's house caught on fire and you had a hose that they could use to put out the fire, wouldn't it make sense to lend them the hose so they could put out the fire before it reached your house? Democrats were once masters of messaging to the masses, but not so much recently.
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In related news, FDR was operating in an environment where black people largely couldn't vote; there were few non-white people other than them; and women were not expected to have careers in most cases.

As much good as FDR did, he was still the leader of the party that maintained a base of support in the Solid South.

And isn't what you're ascribing to FDR (which I've not heard but I'll trust you) basically what Tim Walz meant by "one man's socialism is another man's neighborliness"?
 
mpaer said:
3 million fewer votes chose orangeturd compared to 2020
15 fucking million fewer votes chose Kamala as compared to Biden
Thats what I just heard So like 15 million Dems stayed home more or less
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This is an anomaly and needs to be investigated as such. Contrary to the media election reporting, Trump failed to pick up more votes this election.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I hope not. I can't get overtime in my job as a public school teacher, but I am good with other folks working their tail off and not getting taxed after the first 40 hours. I think this policy might make the country even more productive. I remember growing up, my dad worked shift work and was always giving away his overtime. He would often say "the more I make the more they take" he didn't feel like it was worth his time to go much past 40 hours due to the taxes. Of course he sometimes did, but often let others have it of they wanted it. Let folks have hours 41 and beyond at 100%. I think its fair. No reason to tax tips either. Let people keep it in their pocket.
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For what reason do you think someone's income should not be taxed? You do realize that there are PLENTY of us who are business owners that work hours that dwarf 40 a week, right? Should we also be able to delineate the portion of our income attributed to anything above 40 hours? And why should tips be untaxed? That's their income. Why should being a service worker automatically make someone tax exempt?
 
hedge said:
How is it almost a match of 2020's voter turnout if they both got less this year than in 2020 (much less in Kamala's case)? Or maybe they're saying 10+ million less is still "almost" a match?
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Millions of votes still to be counted
 
hedge said:
How is it almost a match of 2020's voter turnout if they both got less this year than in 2020 (much less in Kamala's case)? Or maybe they're saying 10+ million less is still "almost" a match?
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Yeah I am 100% confused by what he's saying. Thankfully I removed twitter with this election so I am free from that shit
 
heelinhell said:
Yes

GQPers are very good at messaging
Dems are horrible at messaging

GQPers are horrible at governing
Dems are very good at governing

Unfortunately, we live in a country that values messaging over governing...
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I’ll take it further - the republicans see their primary job as getting elected. Governing is just a side hustle.
Democrats, correctly, view the job as governing. Obviously, they can’t do that if they don’t get elected. But it’s tough to do that when the other side thinks about what can they do to get (re)elected 365 days a year.
 
I am enjoying a warm secure feeling already! Our great leader promises....
To build a new missile defense shield with help from former NFL player Herschel Walker !! :)
 
hedge said:
How is it almost a match of 2020's voter turnout if they both got less this year than in 2020 (much less in Kamala's case)? Or maybe they're saying 10+ million less is still "almost" a match?
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There were roughly 155.5 million votes cast in 2020.

Nate Cohn is projecting there will be 157.5 million votes cast in 2024.

So he is projecting that Trump will ultimately get more than he got in 2020 and that Harris will get much closer to Biden's total from 2020 when all the votes are finally counted.
 
altmin said:

LGBTQ+ crisis hotlines report spike in calls after Trump victory​

Crisis hotlines catering to LGBTQ+ youths and adults have seen a staggering rise in calls fr people distressed over Donald Trump’s win.
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I was listening to a call in show earlier today. A number of trans callers and you could hear the anxiety and fear through their calls.

If you have a way to support local LGBTQ groups, please set aside some time to do so.
 
wmheel1287 said:
For what reason do you think someone's income should not be taxed? You do realize that there are PLENTY of us who are business owners that work hours that dwarf 40 a week, right? Should we also be able to delineate the portion of our income attributed to anything above 40 hours? And why should tips be untaxed? That's their income. Why should being a service worker automatically make someone tax exempt?
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Only the first 40 hours. Tax on overtime being for the worker makes sense to me. I see no reason the government should get to keep taking and taking. Just let the workers have their whole check beyond the first 40. Why not? They may not work the same overtime if it will continue to be taxed, who knows. Let people have more of the pie if they are willing to work for it.
 
BillOfRights said:
Almost no one would argue that people aren't struggling, but there are all kinds of reasons that people misremember, and most voters don't have much of a grasp of economics. Add to that that they've been lied to by right-wing media, and Democrats didn't effectively counter that.

The economic benefits of the Biden administration have gone mostly to those less well off. They are, indeed, better off than they were four years ago.

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It’s hard for democrats to counter lies from right wing media when the people they are trying to get the message to consume only right wing media.
 
Paine said:
Harris had the opportunity to appear on media that these right-wingers consume in order to push her agenda and counter lies. She chose not to do it.
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She did appear on FOX News. I assume you’re referring to Rogan. Not sure that truly counts as a right wing media source. But most people are getting their news via internet/social media. You can’t just get a message across through a tweet or a Facebook post or a TikTok video, etc. that’s specifically designed to spread right wing disinformation to people who seek to consume right wing disinformation.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
I see no reason the government should get to keep taking and taking.
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It's an income tax. It taxes income. If you look at taxes as the government "taking," then you will never understand tax policy, which values economic neutrality as a fundamental goal. A tax policy that hands out favors for small subsections of the economy for essentially no reason (as if people who don't get overtime don't work hard!) is terrible, distortive, and not sustainable because everyone is going to want that same benefit. Which is why Trump ended up with "repeal the whole income tax code and fund the government with tariffs."
 
Paine said:
I would say that going on Rogan would’ve been infinitely more valuable than whatever she did with Brett Baier.

Very few people watching Fox were going to vote for Harris. Rohan’s audience is right-leaning, not right wing as you say. She could’ve afforded a more compelling argument to these people. Could’ve made the difference.

She didn’t go on Rogan because she didn’t really have a message to tell on his show.
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I think it was a mutual convenient excuse. Rogan didn't really want her on either. He could easily have moved his podcast location for her schedule. By then the election was already baked anyway.
 
Paine said:
I would say that going on Rogan would’ve been infinitely more valuable than whatever she did with Brett Baier.

Very few people watching Fox were going to vote for Harris. Rohan’s audience is right-leaning, not right wing as you say. She could’ve afforded a more compelling argument to these people. Could’ve made the difference.

She didn’t go on Rogan because she didn’t really have a message to tell on his show.
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Most of that people consuming nothing but right wing media aren’t listening to Rogan though. I’m not talking about his audience.

I also don’t think it’s much of the Rogan audience complaining about the Biden economy.
 
Paine said:
Harris had the opportunity to appear on media that these right-wingers consume in order to push her agenda and counter lies. She chose not to do it.
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What was that sit down interview with Brett Bair? MAGAs get their news from Fox, Xhitter, and Facebook.
 
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