OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Harris had the opportunity to appear on media that these right-wingers consume in order to push her agenda and counter lies. She chose not to do it.
She did appear on FOX News. I assume you’re referring to Rogan. Not sure that truly counts as a right wing media source. But most people are getting their news via internet/social media. You can’t just get a message across through a tweet or a Facebook post or a TikTok video, etc. that’s specifically designed to spread right wing disinformation to people who seek to consume right wing disinformation.
 
I see no reason the government should get to keep taking and taking.
It's an income tax. It taxes income. If you look at taxes as the government "taking," then you will never understand tax policy, which values economic neutrality as a fundamental goal. A tax policy that hands out favors for small subsections of the economy for essentially no reason (as if people who don't get overtime don't work hard!) is terrible, distortive, and not sustainable because everyone is going to want that same benefit. Which is why Trump ended up with "repeal the whole income tax code and fund the government with tariffs."
 
I would say that going on Rogan would’ve been infinitely more valuable than whatever she did with Brett Baier.

Very few people watching Fox were going to vote for Harris. Rohan’s audience is right-leaning, not right wing as you say. She could’ve afforded a more compelling argument to these people. Could’ve made the difference.

She didn’t go on Rogan because she didn’t really have a message to tell on his show.
I think it was a mutual convenient excuse. Rogan didn't really want her on either. He could easily have moved his podcast location for her schedule. By then the election was already baked anyway.
 
I would say that going on Rogan would’ve been infinitely more valuable than whatever she did with Brett Baier.

Very few people watching Fox were going to vote for Harris. Rohan’s audience is right-leaning, not right wing as you say. She could’ve afforded a more compelling argument to these people. Could’ve made the difference.

She didn’t go on Rogan because she didn’t really have a message to tell on his show.
Most of that people consuming nothing but right wing media aren’t listening to Rogan though. I’m not talking about his audience.

I also don’t think it’s much of the Rogan audience complaining about the Biden economy.
 
Harris had the opportunity to appear on media that these right-wingers consume in order to push her agenda and counter lies. She chose not to do it.
What was that sit down interview with Brett Bair? MAGAs get their news from Fox, Xhitter, and Facebook.
 
I would say that going on Rogan would’ve been infinitely more valuable than whatever she did with Brett Baier.

Very few people watching Fox were going to vote for Harris. Rohan’s audience is right-leaning, not right wing as you say. She could’ve afforded a more compelling argument to these people. Could’ve made the difference.

She didn’t go on Rogan because she didn’t really have a message to tell on his show.
Going on Joe Rogan's show wouldn't have made an ounce of difference. It's idiotic to think it would have. His show is followed by testosterone-filled manosphere incels. How would her going on his show have persuaded those types of voters to vote for her?

And let's say in your fantasy world that she was able to convince some of them that yes, a woman COULD excel as POTUS. She was blown the fuck out, and lost every single battleground state in the process. How many of those incels turning in her favor was going to win her 3-4 of those states?

I'm not saying that we don't have to change up what type of media we get involved with. We absolutely do need to become much more active with digital media and less reliant on mainstream media coverage to reach people, but going on the Joe Rogan show a week before the election wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
 
from my experience, they are. It’s just they are consuming soft right wing content all within the Rogan sphere and sometimes just Rogan.
I think you responded before I edited my post to add that I don’t think those are the folks being fed right wing disinformation about the economy.
 
I'm not saying that we don't have to change up what type of media we get involved with. We absolutely do need to become much more active with digital media and less reliant on mainstream media coverage to reach people, but going on the Joe Rogan show a week before the election wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
I generally agree with respect to the timing, but the lack of urgency to get on those types of shows, earlier in the cycle, was laid bare as a terrible, terrible strategy. Hindsight, and all.
 
Going on Joe Rogan's show wouldn't have made an ounce of difference. It's idiotic to think it would have. His show is followed by testosterone-filled manosphere incels. How would her going on his show have persuaded those types of voters to vote for her?

And let's say in your fantasy world that she was able to convince some of them that yes, a woman COULD excel as POTUS. She was blown the fuck out, and lost every single battleground state in the process. How many of those incels turning in her favor was going to win her 3-4 of those states?

I'm not saying that we don't have to change up what type of media we get involved with. We absolutely do need to become much more active with digital media and less reliant on mainstream media coverage to reach people, but going on the Joe Rogan show a week before the election wouldn't have made a lick of difference.
Rogan’s podcast isn’t just followed by testosterone filled manosphere incels. It’s like the most popular podcast on the planet.

Signed,
A guy who has never listened to his podcast (yet knows how popular it is)
 
I don’t think it would’ve made a difference alone, no. It was just indicative of their failed media strategy overall.
In the post I was quoting, you said, "Could have made the difference." That's what I was responding to.

But yes, not only do we need more of a presence in digital and social media, but we need it immediately. We have a lot of catching up to do. Quite frankly, Pete Buttiegieg will be out of a job in a couple of months. We need to start him doing the circuit immediately after that. He's the best messenger the Democratic party has right now. The DNC should put him on a salary and send him out over the next four years with our messaging.
 
They’re young men who are overwhelmingly likely to be renters compared to home owners. That alone creates economic anxiety that is legit and can’t be brushed off as disinformation.
Says he's closer to communism than to liberal Democrats. Laments that young people can't own houses. Shrug.

I'm just teasing. Sort of.
 
It's an income tax. It taxes income. If you look at taxes as the government "taking," then you will never understand tax policy, which values economic neutrality as a fundamental goal. A tax policy that hands out favors for small subsections of the economy for essentially no reason (as if people who don't get overtime don't work hard!) is terrible, distortive, and not sustainable because everyone is going to want that same benefit. Which is why Trump ended up with "repeal the whole income tax code and fund the government with tariffs."

I get it, but I think letting people keep their whole check past the first 40 hours is a good idea. Just my opinion. But I don't feel so strongly about it that I'd be upset if it didn't happen, I guess I'm pretty neutral on it. If it happens, fine, great. But if it doesn't also fine.
 
In related news, FDR was operating in an environment where black people largely couldn't vote; there were few non-white people other than them; and women were not expected to have careers in most cases.

As much good as FDR did, he was still the leader of the party that maintained a base of support in the Solid South.

And isn't what you're ascribing to FDR (which I've not heard but I'll trust you) basically what Tim Walz meant by "one man's socialism is another man's neighborliness"?
Perhaps, but none of what you mentioned is my point, which is that FDR was a master of slogans and simplifying issues so that everyone could understand them. I'm well aware that he was operating in a time in which blacks, women, Asian-Americans, and others had few rights, but that doesn't relate to his communication style.
 
I was listening to a call in show earlier today. A number of trans callers and you could hear the anxiety and fear through their calls.

If you have a way to support local LGBTQ groups, please set aside some time to do so.
And honestly, they should be. I would be terrified right now if I were transgender. It seems obvious that attacking transgenders is going to be a priority for the new administration, and even more at the state level, and it will likely be much worse than it has been in even the last few years. Republicans may grudgingly accept gays and lesbians (although they'll go after them if they see an opening), but I think they're determined to remove transgenders from public life and try to use government to ultimately ensure that no one can get the surgery needed to change genders. For example, we're likely going to see laws passed that will forbid public schools from calling students by anything other than their birth name, even if their parents give their consent.
 
I get it, but I think letting people keep their whole check past the first 40 hours is a good idea. Just my opinion. But I don't feel so strongly about it that I'd be upset if it didn't happen, I guess I'm pretty neutral on it. If it happens, fine, great. But if it doesn't also fine.
You are going to require W2s to report overtime and regular time separately, adding another bookkeeping expense. Employees will still need to pay state tax, unless the states match the policy. The federal income tax is fairly low (12%, less huge standard deduction) until you get to about $45k, which is less than most hourly workers make. You are making overtime wages more desirable than straight time (they already get paid 1.5x for overtime, and 2x for double overtime), potentially reducing the total number of jobs available and incentivizing parents to spend less time with their family members and more time at work.

Also, are you exempting overtime from the 15.3% FICA tax, or just income tax? If you are taking it out of FICA, you are going to further threaten the solvency of social security.
 
You are going to require W2s to report overtime and regular time separately, adding another bookkeeping expense. Employees will still need to pay state tax, unless the states match the policy. The federal income tax is fairly low (12%, less huge standard deduction) until you get to about $45k, which is less than most hourly workers make. You are making overtime wages more desirable than straight time (they already get paid 1.5x for overtime, and 2x for double overtime), potentially reducing the total number of jobs available and incentivizing parents to spend less time with their family members and more time at work.

Also, are you exempting overtime from the 15.3% FICA tax, or just income tax? If you are taking it out of FICA, you are going to further threaten the solvency of social security.


I'll be honest, I have not thought it through that much. You're probably right. You'd need to at least leave FICA on the overtime. But again, it's a proposal so far down the list for me, I wouldn't care either way.
 
There are cases pf people in state and city agencies rigging the system where high seniority workers are racking up $100,000 or more in overtime, both gaining more than their hourly income and padding their pension. There's more problems with this than whether or not to tax their overtime but some sort of limitation on where that ends needs to be considered.
 
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