Racist! Misogynistic Country

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Callatoroy said:
And yet the press deliberately censored stories damaging to biden in 20. Zuckerberg and twitter deliberately censored conservative voices to aid the dem party. CBS is rewriting her answers from it's interview to make her look less like an idiot. The amount of negative coverage of trump swamped the negative coverage of harris and biden. The 3 major late night show hosts are nothing but dem propaganda machines, as are msnbc, cnn, nbc, abc, npr, nyt, wapo, and 100 others. What you are really saying is that they weren't as corrupt as you would like them to be and that you care absolutely nothing about having an impartial press. Good to know. a democrat complaining about the press is the same as dook fans complaining about referees.
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lol. Okies.
 
sunnyheel said:
There are a couple of major flaws in this argument.

First, you omit recognition of racism (and misogyny) among ethnic minorities. You might be surprised how many Blacks have a visceral antagonism to members of their race (see: John McWhorter, Candace Owens, that Sowell geezer).

Second, there is a vast history research evidencing high correlation to negative racial attitudes and affinity for the Republican Party (see: Southern Strategy)

Your argument is both disingenuous and obscurantist, perhaps because you don't like the self-inference. Most people are racist, though, but its prominence aligns with conservatism.
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Where have I ever disagreed with what you said? Earlier in this very thread, I said that a large group of MAGA (the former Republican party) and Trump himself are racists and cling to racist strategies. So you missed big time on that.

Then, you call my thoughts (disingenuos) because I never thought of or agree with your outlandish hypothesis that Trump doubled his votes with African Americans because most of them are racist against other African Americans like themselves. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever read here. You gave Candace Owen's as an example. She is bi-racial and indeed tries to deny her black heritage, align with the whites, and denounce the black voice and concerns. She has some serious self respect issues. There are probably a few others like her but not many.

No, those black voters flipped from Democrats to supporting Trump primarily same reason that others flipped. They are struggling to make ends meet due to inflation, and whether Biden was the cause or not, and even if a remarkable turnaround has occurred and inflation now very low, things are not suddenly cheaper. The current Prez gets blamed for that, always has, always will. So nice try but major whiff. And I did say there was some mysogony as well with black men voting for an evil white man over a black woman.

I imagine they also flipped due in lesser part to extreme trans views on the left, immigration, and also religion could be a factor.

And finally, I have been told by liberals for many years on these boards that no minority can EVER be racist, so please explain that one.
 
superrific said:
Because a lot of Latinos are racist. Why do you think Trump started shifting the skin color of the invaders? They were supposedly coming from Mexico, but then Venezuela. And then Congo. And Haiti. And of course they picked on the Haitians in Springfield.

The key to success with black men, of course, was the misogyny. Probably Latino voters as well. This has long been a paradox of democracy. How can you create a virtuous polity out of unvirtuous people?
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So black and Hispanic men are sexist, who’s the racist? You need a safe space bro.
 
Strikingly, Trump’s support among white voters dropped by 3 percentage point from 2016 — and Harris gained 8 points among white voters.

In total, 12% of black voters reported casting ballots for Trump in 2024, compared with just 8% eight years earlier. Twenty percent of black men said they supported the former president over Harris.

Among Latinos, 45% broke for him this cycle, whereas just 29% voted for him in 2016 — a 16 percentage point shift.
nypost.com

How Trump’s huge gains with Latino and Asian voters and black men landed him back in the White House

“It is historically unprecedented in the modern era,” said GOP pollster and strategist Patrick Ruffini.
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Saw 24% on the tube, this says 20%
farce© said:
Credible link?
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The guy just said on Nicolle s show that the biggest issue with Latino men is that they won't vote for a woman

And it was intimated that it was exacerbated by her being a woman of color
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Again, Trump gained ground in large percentages with African Americans and Latinos. That was a big reason why he won. How is that an indication of racism deciding the election?

As for "how can latinos/Hispanics support Trump when he attacks illegal immigrants and says they are poisoning the blood of Americans? Well, first of all, only legal immigrants can vote. They or their parents went through years of processing, waiting, mindless beaurocracy, and did it the legal way. They don't appreciate others jumping straight to the front of the line, just crossing the border and staying indefinitely,just like most Americans. Many also escaped leftist countries, and Trump's hyberbole or not about Marxist Commie Dems, they do fear a movement to the left and closer to what they escaped (even though Trump was the authoritarian candidate.)

Dems have taken the black and minority votes for granted for far too long. The claim of racism to explain every negative outcome for Dems does not help. Biden saying, "if you are Black and vote Republican, you aren't really black." So dumb and obviously showing the view that AA are mindless pawns and in the pockets of Dems. So incredibly stupid.
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Far more likely for Latinos in the US, other than Puerto Ricans, either they came to the US as undocumented workers and received amnesty from Reagan, their ancestors came as undocumented workers, they came seeking asylum, or they came from Cuba on boats and were allowed to stay based on the wet feet / dry feet policy.

Not many went through years of processing. Some may have a revisionist history of what their ancestors did but more likely than not they just showed up at the US border.
 
Lando said:
That won’t happen and if it did it wouldn’t be productive. Currently talking to each other means liberals listening to conservatives and agreeing. Conservatives are not asked to consider liberal points of view.

Maybe things change with time but right now I’m not seeing any desire to fight or put things back together. People are tired. There is a lot of fear out there but exhaustion is everywhere. As a result they are just done with conservatives.
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The point that many on here keep forgetting is that 70% of this country felt it was on the wrong track and trump didn't win with just the conservative vote. He pulled a big number of the latino vote and the biggest number of the black vote (maybe in decades). Liberals are afraid and don't want to talk but there are more centrist democrats that don't feel that way because they are represented in that 70% number as well.
 
He's Not Here said:
It’s not the democrats that are looking for social wacko stuff. The democrats basic position is that “all are created equal and deserve equal treatment.” When one group looks like they’re at the doorstep of normalcy, the republicans look for the next group that they can bully. And, in the process, paint the democrats as supporting wacko stuff.
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Unless you are talking about female sports and then all don't deserve equal treatment. Biological females deserve unfair treatment.
 
Paine said:
Yeah, anyone trying to explain away this loss because of Hispanic men being racist or sexist is just in pure cope mode.

The truth has been staring Democrats in the face since at least 2014. The answer to winning back working class whites is the same answer to why Harris lost support from working class Black and Hispanic men.
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Black support reduced by 1 point. Turnout was down however
 
aGDevil2k said:
Black support reduced by 1 point. Turnout was down however
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Yeah, I've read that Trump got almost exactly the same share of the black vote that he got in 2020, although as you said black voter turnout was down. So all these stories of black voters switching to Trump turned out to be false. The real issue was the huge shift of Hispanic males to the Republicans, which definitely hurt.
 
Paine said:
He increased his number by 1% nationally if I’m understanding correctly. The numbers were more significant in NC.
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Maybe, but the national number is still pretty telling after all the breathless news media stories about how black men were moving in large numbers towards Trump. The real problem is the defection of Hispanic men to Republicans. That needs to be resolved by 2026 if the Democrats hope to do well in the midterms.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yeah, I've read that Trump got almost exactly the same share of the black vote that he got in 2020, although as you said black voter turnout was down. So all these stories of black voters switching to Trump turned out to be false. The real issue was the huge shift of Hispanic males to the Republicans, which definitely hurt.
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Probably has more to do with Harris having over 12 million less votes than Biden.

While trump was within a million of his total from 2020.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Maybe, but the national number is still pretty telling after all the breathless news media stories about how black men were moving in large numbers towards Trump. The real problem is the defection of Hispanic men to Republicans. That needs to be resolved by 2026 if the Democrats hope to do well in the midterms.
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Gen Z males are a problem as well. They've been compromised and radicalized by online bro culture. I saw tonight that a new trend among this demo is responding to girls'/women's TikToks with "your body, my choice" and similar comments. Really disgusting stuff.
 
JCTarheel82 said:
Gen Z males are a problem as well. They've been compromised and radicalized by online bro culture. I saw tonight that a new trend among this demo is responding to girls'/women's TikToks with "your body, my choice" and similar comments. Really disgusting stuff.
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Unfortunately, it seems as if the more equality and career and personal success women have, the more threatened and embittered and resentful some men become. When women were still mostly limited to being housewives and raising kids at home, mediocre (or worse) men no doubt found it easier to find a wife, but now that women have more freedom and options guys like them blame their failures in life on successful career women. And it's just getting worse, as the share of college students who are women increases and more men get left behind. And yeah, it's ugly out there - I've read that the "your body, my choice" phrase has been popular across social media since the election. We're just living in a dark, dark time.
 
I work with a good amount of people in their early-mid 20’s. I think the typical “bros” are mainly pushing back against the more progressive themes in tv/movies/video games now. It’s another case of wanting to own the libs and “alphabet people”. They definitely get pulled to the alpha manosphere influencers
 
Callatoroy said:
The point that many on here keep forgetting is that 70% of this country felt it was on the wrong track and trump didn't win with just the conservative vote. He pulled a big number of the latino vote and the biggest number of the black vote (maybe in decades). Liberals are afraid and don't want to talk but there are more centrist democrats that don't feel that way because they are represented in that 70% number as well.
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Is that 70% broken into who thinks is taking the country the wrong way? That would be meaningful. This could mean that more want the country to move to the left that the right. Not likely with the vote but it makes that single number useless.
 
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