RFK jr to announce ban on all vaccines until he understands what they are

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JCTarheel82 said:
Sounds like walking pneumonia. I've had it a few times in the past decade or so and those are similar to the symptoms I experienced. The cough can be particularly brutal if left untreated. Walking pneumonia is also going around right now. I know numerous people who have it currently or have had it in the past couple months, including both of my daughters. My older daughter was diagnosed two days ago and is on antibiotics.
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Walking pneumonia runs on a 7 year global cycle and we are at a peak.
 
If I'm reading the tea leaves, Trump is unlikely to ban the use of any vaccine immediately. He is likely to fund a number of studies on vaccine effectiveness and safety including by skeptics and possibly crackpots. He is likely to do anything he can to prevent schools and any other organizations from requiring vaccines.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
If I'm reading the tea leaves, Trump is unlikely to ban the use of any vaccine immediately. He is likely to fund a number of studies on vaccine effectiveness and safety including by skeptics and possibly crackpots. He is likely to do anything he can to prevent schools and any other organizations from requiring vaccines.
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Not sure I follow what you are predicting about vaccines.
Schools already require many vaccines. Are you talking about eliminating those existing requirements (polio, etc) or COVID, or future vaccines for other diseases?
 
ChileG said:
Not sure I follow what you are predicting about vaccines.
Schools already require many vaccines. Are you talking about eliminating those existing requirements (polio, etc) or COVID, or future vaccines for other diseases?
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My prediction is if there is a way for the Trump administration to prevent schools from requiring those vaccines, he will try it.

But I don't think he will prevent people that want to get the vaccines from getting them, at least initially.
 
ChileG said:
That is a pretty grim prediction. I pray you are not right.
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Yeah. Not great but not quite the gloom and doom of RFK jr banning all vaccines until he understands what they are.

Still, expect more measles outbreaks and a couple of deaths per year. There hasn't been a measles death since 2015. More dangerous is probably whooping cough (pertussis). Despite almost universal vaccination, we have about 20 whooping cough deaths a year, mostly babies before they can be vaccinated. Before the vaccine, it was one of the most common causes of child death. I could easily see that number getting to the hundreds per year.
 
Eliminating vaccine mandates in schools is still a pretty fucking terrible idea, especially ones like the polio vaccine, and will almost certainly lead to more deaths in the future, and perhaps a lot more than just hundreds. I've read that there were, on average, around 16,000 cases of polio each year in the USA until the polio vaccine was introduced. In 1952 in New York City alone a polio outbreak caused 3,145 deaths and 21,269 cases of paralysis. It's insane to eliminate most vaccine mandates in schools, but given that we already shrug off mass school shootings so that yokels can play macho alpha male with their pew pew pews, I guess having kids go back to iron lungs will just be written off as the price we all have to pay for parental rights and "freedoms" from medical experts and their awful vaccine mandates.
 
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gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. Not great but not quite the gloom and doom of RFK jr banning all vaccines until he understands what they are.

Still, expect more measles outbreaks and a couple of deaths per year. There hasn't been a measles death since 2015. More dangerous is probably whooping cough (pertussis). Despite almost universal vaccination, we have about 20 whooping cough deaths a year, mostly babies before they can be vaccinated. Before the vaccine, it was one of the most common causes of child death. I could easily see that number getting to the hundreds per year.
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Perhaps more importantly, there will be exponentially more ER visits, hospitalizations, long-term health implications, school and work days lost, developmental disabilities, etc.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
Yeah. Not great but not quite the gloom and doom of RFK jr banning all vaccines until he understands what they are.

Still, expect more measles outbreaks and a couple of deaths per year. There hasn't been a measles death since 2015. More dangerous is probably whooping cough (pertussis). Despite almost universal vaccination, we have about 20 whooping cough deaths a year, mostly babies before they can be vaccinated. Before the vaccine, it was one of the most common causes of child death. I could easily see that number getting to the hundreds per year.
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I assumed the thread title was a joke.
 
gtyellowjacket said:
More important than dead kids? Perhaps.
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In terms of societal harm, yes.

Thousands/tens of thousands more people in hospitals because of preventable diseases takes space/time/healtcare resources away from those who’ve been vaccinated and need that care for other reasons.

That alone likely results in more than a hundred deaths. Not to mention increased medical costs and strained health care systems.

And when you figure in lost productivity and repercussions of long-term effects—yes, it’s more important than a few more childhood deaths up front.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
Eliminating vaccine mandates in schools is still a pretty fucking terrible idea, especially ones like the polio vaccine, and will almost certainly lead to more deaths in the future, and perhaps a lot more than just hundreds. I've read that there were, on average, around 16,000 cases of polio each year in the USA until the polio vaccine was introduced. In 1952 in New York City alone a polio outbreak caused 3,145 deaths and 21,269 cases of paralysis. It's insane to eliminate most vaccine mandates in schools, but given that we already shrug off mass school shootings so that yokels can play macho alpha male with their pew pew pews, I guess having kids go back to iron lungs will just be written off as the price we all have to pay for parental rights and "freedoms" from medical experts and their awful vaccine mandates.
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I believe your number of polio cases per year for nation is way low. I grew up in small town and personally remember numerous cases and some deaths. Actually the next sentence sort of contradicts the 16000 cases for nation. Just a thought…no facts.
 
Y’all have to remember that trump’s creek runs shallow. Having handpicked idiots piss in it will not do much to rise its level. Going to be a very long four years.
 
ZenMode said:

Kennedy says he’s ‘all for’ polio vaccine as GOP senators raise questions about his views​


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Okay, Trump says people can still get the polio vaccine, but when asked about the requirement to having the vaccine to attend school, said he isn’t big on mandates. That is a big deal.

In your Kennedy article, he also doesn’t address whether the requirement to have the polio vaccine to attend school will stay.
Even more concerning, said he is a supporter of that ONE vaccine. So, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping coughs, etc. are fair game? He need to “look at the science behind,” these vaccines?

It’s crazy that these vaccines are even being discussed in this way. Having legitimate concerns that the head of the HHS will tamper in any way with these vaccines is insanity.

And when you ask dumb shit Trump about it, all that feeble-brained moron can say is, “There are a lot of smart people looking at it,” like some moron 5th grader giving an oral report on a book he didn’t read.
 
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