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Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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If Putin doesn't start making concessions soon, we may eventually get to where most of you want to be in this conflict:

*more sanctions against Russia
*more support for Ukraine so the slaughter can continue
*endless war of attrition - which eventually favors Russia

But I don't get why you are so hostile towards Trump for at least trying to reach a settlement of this conflict. Do you think talking with Putin for 2+ hours is better than ZERO conversations with Putin for 2+ years? I get you hate him and assign every worst possible motive for all of his actions but can't you just let the process continue and see what happens? The Russians are famous "grinder" negotiators who love to wear down their negotiating partners.

Every single person in this country knows what Trump meant when he said he'd solve this conflict on day one with one phone call. That's Trump talk for his getting a plan in place within a reasonable time of his taking office. It might happen.
 
Ramrouser said:
If Putin doesn't start making concessions soon, we may eventually get to where most of you want to be in this conflict:

*more sanctions against Russia
*more support for Ukraine so the slaughter can continue
*endless war of attrition - which eventually favors Russia

But I don't get why you are so hostile towards Trump for at least trying to reach a settlement of this conflict. Do you think talking with Putin for 2+ hours is better than ZERO conversations with Putin for 2+ years? I get you hate him and assign every worst possible motive for all of his actions but can't you just let the process continue and see what happens? The Russians are famous "grinder" negotiators who love to wear down their negotiating partners.

Every single person in this country knows what Trump meant when he said he'd solve this conflict on day one with one phone call. That's Trump talk for his getting a plan in place within a reasonable time of his taking office. It might happen.
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Personally I am hostile towards trump because he has repeatedly undercut Ukraine.He could have pushed for peace after Increasing Aid to Ukraine
 
Ramrouser said:
If Putin doesn't start making concessions soon, we may eventually get to where most of you want to be in this conflict:

*more sanctions against Russia
*more support for Ukraine so the slaughter can continue
*endless war of attrition - which eventually favors Russia

But I don't get why you are so hostile towards Trump for at least trying to reach a settlement of this conflict. Do you think talking with Putin for 2+ hours is better than ZERO conversations with Putin for 2+ years? I get you hate him and assign every worst possible motive for all of his actions but can't you just let the process continue and see what happens? The Russians are famous "grinder" negotiators who love to wear down their negotiating partners.

Every single person in this country knows what Trump meant when he said he'd solve this conflict on day one with one phone call. That's Trump talk for his getting a plan in place within a reasonable time of his taking office. It might happen.
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Putin doesn’t want this war to end. At no point has he said that. He wants Ukraine gone as a Country.
 
Ramrouser said:
If Putin doesn't start making concessions soon, we may eventually get to where most of you want to be in this conflict:

*more sanctions against Russia
*more support for Ukraine so the slaughter can continue
*endless war of attrition - which eventually favors Russia

But I don't get why you are so hostile towards Trump for at least trying to reach a settlement of this conflict. Do you think talking with Putin for 2+ hours is better than ZERO conversations with Putin for 2+ years? I get you hate him and assign every worst possible motive for all of his actions but can't you just let the process continue and see what happens? The Russians are famous "grinder" negotiators who love to wear down their negotiating partners.

Every single person in this country knows what Trump meant when he said he'd solve this conflict on day one with one phone call. That's Trump talk for his getting a plan in place within a reasonable time of his taking office. It might happen.
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Trump cannot negotiate a settlement in this conflict because he isn’t a rational, neutral arbitrator. He’s personally interested in a particular outcome, favoring a hostile, authoritarian adversary over a Democratic nation that was unjustly attacked under false pretense.

Even setting aside his own vested interests, he’s already revealed that he doesn’t respect Zelensky (who stood up to him years ago), is desperate for Putin’s acceptance, and lacks any understanding of the origins of the conflict or what’s truly at stake for the US and it’s allies.
 
Ramrouser said:
But I don't get why you are so hostile towards Trump for at least trying to reach a settlement of this conflict . . . That's Trump talk for his getting a plan in place within a reasonable time of his taking office
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Because everyone with half a brain knows that's not what he's doing. And a reasonable plan? Trump doesn't have plans. He doesn't even have concepts of them. What about his term so far could be described as proceeding according to a plan? Maybe it's that he's set and reset and postponed and then accelerated tariffs more times in 4 months than his 4 predecessors did combined? Was that it? Or maybe it was DOGE, which steamrolled the government's operations and accomplished nothing since most of the cancelled contracts and fired personnel are being quietly re-signed and re-hired.

Trump's plans are whatever his lackeys whisper in his ear, and his lackeys are ALL on the wrong side of our geopolitical conflicts.
 
Ramrouser said:
But I don't get why you are so hostile towards Trump for at least trying to reach a settlement of this conflict.
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LOL, now if that is all Trump was doing or has done, then there would be no reason for anyone to be hostile toward Trump. So if you were being honest, you wouldn't even ask.
 
nycfan said:


🎁 —> https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/20/...e_code=1.I08.NUP7.OdGqveE3RkBJ&smid=url-share
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For months, President Trump has been threatening to simply walk away from the frustrating negotiations for a cease-fire between Russia and Ukraine.

After a phone call on Monday between Mr. Trump and President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia, that appears to be exactly what the American president is doing. The deeper question now is whether he is also abandoning America’s three-year-long project to support Ukraine, a nascent democracy that he has frequently blamed for being illegally invaded.

Mr. Trump told President Volodymyr Zelensky of Ukraine and other European leaders after his call with Mr. Putin that Russia and Ukraine would have to find a solution to the war themselves, just days after saying that only he and Mr. Putin had the power to broker a deal. And he backed away from his own threats to join a European pressure campaign that would include new sanctions on Russia, according to six officials who were familiar with the discussion. They spoke on condition of anonymity to describe a private conversation.

Their account sheds light on Mr. Trump’s decision to throw up his hands when it comes to a peace process that he had previously promised to resolve in just 24 hours. And, unless he again reverses course, Monday’s developments left Mr. Putin with exactly what he wanted: not only an end to American pressure, but the creation of a deep fissure inside the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, between the Americans and their traditional European allies, who say they are going ahead with sanctions anyway.…”
 
I view this as good news that maybe Trump will just get out of the way. He may not join more sanctions, but my hope is that he's under pressure from Senate Republicans to stay the course on maintaining current sanctions and arms sales to Ukraine.

And if Putin won't meet with him, then that's got to be a good thing.
 
BlueSmoke said:
I view this as good news that maybe Trump will just get out of the way. He may not join more sanctions, but my hope is that he's under pressure from Senate Republicans to stay the course on maintaining current sanctions and arms sales to Ukraine.

And if Putin won't meet with him, then that's got to be a good thing.
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For better or worse, Europe is going to have to lead the world for the next few years. Pubs blew it.
 
lawtig02 said:
For better or worse, Europe is going to have to lead the world for the next few years. Pubs blew it.
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They could start by ceasing to buy energy resources from russia. Good luck with that.

In fairness, the EU has significantly reduced their purchases but they still send more money to Russia for oil and natural gas than they do to Ukraine for defense.
 
Ramrouser said:
Every single person in this country knows what Trump meant when he said he'd solve this conflict on day one with one phone call. That's Trump talk for his getting a plan in place within a reasonable time of his taking office. It might happen.
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Think about what you're saying here. We know the President is a habitual liar but we need to support him anyway.

And you believe liberals are the crazy ones.
 
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