Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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For RammedByTrumpInHisTrousers, do you recall your cult leader looking smittingly into Putin's eyes on foreign soil, and telling Vlad he believed him over American Intelligence?

Doesn't seem like an America First agenda, but rather, a get punked by a ruthless manipulative KGB agent. Trump might be able to fool ignorant uneducated unhinged Americans, but he is a duped pawn on the world stage, at America's expense.
 
Healing said:
My god don is the easiest mark in the history of American geopolitics. Just an absolute noodle, waiting to get tied into whatever knot a marginally intelligent bad actor chooses.
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Wordsmith Award of the Day for "Just an absolute noodle, waiting to get tied into whatever knot a marginally intelligent bad actor chooses."

Bravo, Healing. Well played.
 
superrific said:
Be honest: what do you think Trump would have done?

I think he would have done the same thing as he did for Covid. Sit on the information and the intelligence until it became impossible to ignore, at which point it would be too late -- because ultimately he doesn't give a fuck. So you can say that it was easy to rally Western Europe but Trump absolutely 100% would not have done so. It's not even just because he has a hardon for Putin. It's because Trump doesn't know how to be proactive about anything, because being proactive requires having knowledge and Trump doesn't because he doesn't care.

On what issue has Trump EVER been proactive? The only one I can think of was the Covid vaccine, and that comes with an asterisk because it was less about proactivity and more about searching for a magic solution that didn't require hard work and sacrifice.
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He certainly had no intention of evacuating a single one of the Afghans who had been working with American forces for years. Talk to any of them if anyone doesn't believe me. He was planning to leave every single one of them over there.
 
What the fuck is happening here? Why are we talking about normalizing relations with Russia? This is fucking madness. Blaming Ukraine for the war? Normalizing relations with Russia without any concessions from Putin? Turning away from our centuries old alliances with Europe? There should be fucking riots in the street over this shit. This will lead to war and it will cost lives - and most likely - the lives of Americans. It is the most foolish set of foreign policy decisions and positioning I think we have ever seen in this history of this country and that includes Bush's Iraq War in 2003. This will be far more catastrophic on a global scale than the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq.
 
When Trump was elected - I fretted about the tariffs and the mass deportations and their effects on our economy. And then I was aghast at Trump's nominations for SecDef and HHS secretary and DNI and FBI. But this shit - what's happened the last week - I assumed Trump would blow smoke up Putin's ass as he did in his first term....but I never envisioned this type of 180 degree spin completely warping (at the very least) 80 years + of foreign policy paradigm.
 
p5mmr9 said:
When Trump was elected - I fretted about the tariffs and the mass deportations and their effects on our economy. And then I was aghast at Trump's nominations for SecDef and HHS secretary and DNI and FBI. But this shit - what's happened the last week - I assumed Trump would blow smoke up Putin's ass as he did in his first term....but I never envisioned this type of 180 degree spin completely warping (at the very least) 80 years + of foreign policy paradigm.
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I think Trump is grasping at any straw that he can to cause a national emergency and then size power. The old "only the arsonist can put out the fire" play.
 
p5mmr9 said:
What the fuck is happening here? Why are we talking about normalizing relations with Russia? This is fucking madness. Blaming Ukraine for the war? Normalizing relations with Russia without any concessions from Putin? Turning away from our centuries old alliances with Europe? There should be fucking riots in the street over this shit. This will lead to war and it will cost lives - and most likely - the lives of Americans. It is the most foolish set of foreign policy decisions and positioning I think we have ever seen in this history of this country and that includes Bush's Iraq War in 2003. This will be far more catastrophic on a global scale than the War on Terror and the invasion of Iraq.
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When you view Trump as a Russian asset his actions make perfect sense.
 
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