Russia - Ukraine “peace negotiations”

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So, Putin has flat-out brainwashed Trump. Cool.

Trump delivers another blow to Ukraine and a new boost to Putin

It looked like things couldn’t get any darker for Ukraine. Then President Donald Trump spoke up.

After cutting President Volodymyr Zelensky out of the first US talks with Russia on ending the war, Trump on Tuesday falsely accused Ukraine of starting a conflict that has ravaged its land and killed thousands of its people.

And in his most hostile comments toward the Ukrainian leader yet, Trump voiced yet another of President Vladimir Putin’s talking points — that it was time for an election in Ukraine — in an apparent bid to begin the process of pushing Zelensky aside.


The US president’s comments will fuel fresh fears in Europe, which was also excluded from the US-Russia talks in Saudi Arabia, that Trump will try to impose a peace deal in Ukraine that favors his friend in the Kremlin.

His remarks also appeared to directly contradict assurances by his own Secretary of State Marco Rubio after meeting the Russian delegation that any eventual peace agreement would be fair to all parties.

And Trump’s attack on Zelensky, who was hailed as a hero in the United States for resisting Russia’s Blitzkrieg on Kyiv early in the war, was a graphic sign of how the new American administration has reversed Washington’s stance of supporting the victim of the invasion and is now rewarding the aggressor.

“We have a situation where we haven’t had elections in Ukraine, where we have martial law,” Trump told reporters at his Mar-a-Lago resort. Trump also claimed that Zelensky’s approval rating was “at 4%” and “we have a country that has been blown to smithereens.”

Reliable polling has been difficult in the middle of a war zone that has seen thousands of Ukrainians become internally displaced or flee the country. While recent surveys have shown Zelensky’s popularity dropping significantly from the almost universal approval he enjoyed at the start of the war, it’s nowhere near the depths cited by Trump.

The president also warned that for Ukraine’s views on its fate to be considered, it should have an election, saying: “You know, they want a seat at the table, wouldn’t the people of Ukraine have to have a say, like it’s been a lot of times since we’ve had an election?”

 
BlueSmoke said:
I remember in Trump's first term, he hounded everyone around him everyday about when he could meet Putin. Perhaps he's scared of Putin, but I tend to think he see's Putin as someone that can help him size power or help him in his corrupt dealings.

Putin is his kindred spirit in terms of propaganda and lies.
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Putin is everything Trump wants to be when he grows up.
 

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farce© said:
When you view Trump as a Russian asset his actions make perfect sense.
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I don't think he is a Russian asset nor do I think he is afraid of Putin. I think ultimately he hates dissent at his core and thus he hates democracy unless it serves his own purposes. He envies the world's autocrats but mostly he envies Putin because Putin functions under the veil of "democracy" all while being able to control all levers of power in a large and semi powerful nation.

Regardless, Trump's second term is possibly a bigger disaster than even the most pessimistic views post election.
 
p5mmr9 said:
I don't think he is a Russian asset nor do I think he is afraid of Putin. I think ultimately he hates dissent at his core and thus he hates democracy unless it serves his own purposes. He envies the world's autocrats but mostly he envies Putin because Putin functions under the veil of "democracy" all while being able to control all levers of power in a large and semi powerful nation.

Regardless, Trump's second term is possibly a bigger disaster than even the most pessimistic views post election.
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Have you ever seen Trump when he is in the same room as Putin? He is obviously scared of him.
 
I recommend this program [Marshall Plan] of the United States support for European recovery to the Congress in full confidence of its wisdom and necessity as a major step in our nation's quest for a just and lasting peace.
- Harry S. Truman

Ich bin ein Berliner
- John F Kannedy

Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.
- Ronald Reagan


They [Ukraine] shouldn't have started the war, anyway.
- Donald J. Trump, Putin Puppet
 
Duke Mu said:
Putin's got something, probably multiple things on Trump. $$ still owed to Russia, compromising dirt.
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I mean it could be, but Russia doesn’t need that. Putin knows how to manipulate Trump and Trump is deeply impressed by political strongmen and mafia types. Trump wants to be a strongman who dominates his sphere of influence.

Putin seems to have convinced or merely nurtured in Trump a vision that Trump should be a Goliath that divides spheres of dominion with Russia and China. Trump seems unaware of how diminished Russia is from the USSR of his youth and tells us daily how much he likes this vision of the regional spheres of domination. Trump is all in on an expanded USA that includes Greenland and Canada and controls the Western Hemisphere with an iron fist.
 
nycfan said:
I mean it could be, but Russia doesn’t need that. Putin knows how to manipulate Trump and Trump is deeply impressed by political strongmen and mafia types. Trump wants to be a strongman who dominates his sphere of influence.

Putin seems to have convinced or merely nurtured in Trump a vision that Trump should be a Goliath that divides spheres of dominion with Russia and China. Trump seems unaware of how diminished Russia is from the USSR of his youth and tells us daily how much he likes this vision of the regional spheres of domination. Trump is all in on an expanded USA that includes Greenland and Canada and controls the Western Hemisphere with an iron fist.
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I think this is all correct. Trump thinks Putin has what he wants (power, money, control, admiration) and envisions himself as Putin 2.0.
 
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