So-called Anti-Woke, Anti-DEI policy catch-all

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No, they lied. They made up a reason out of thin air. There were no facts to support what they said. It was a lie.
The people who “got bent out of shape” were mad that efforts to remove DEI from all governmental websites led to a bunch of bullshit like the removal of the Tuckaseegee airmen. And they were right to be upset about it.
Were they really that right to be all upset about it. It came back in what less than a week? Trump didn't have to. Trump has taken plenty of unpopular positions and reveled in it. But the administration put back the Tuskegee airmen and all the others because they either don't really care about individuals breaking some barrier or actually celebrate it.
 
Were they really that right to be all upset about it. It came back in what less than a week? Trump didn't have to. Trump has taken plenty of unpopular positions and reveled in it. But the administration put back the Tuskegee airmen and all the others because they either don't really care about individuals breaking some barrier or actually celebrate it.
They put it back after the public outcry, right?
 
South Carolina has a black senator who is a republican. Is Maga not a thing in South Carolina? Trump endorsed Tim Scott during his reelection campaign in 2021 and Scott endorsed Trump in this most recent campaign.

Yes there are racist white people and most of them are Republicans but I don't think it's nearly as prevalent in maga land as people think. Or at least it's not so ironclad as to eliminate the chance that they would vote for a black Republican.
Fuck off. I have so much more respect for the conservatives on these boards that at least have some conviction. You and Zen ride the hell out of that fence. Your but what about tactics get old and tiring. Try to stand on your maga beliefs and stop riding the fence.

trump is a racist and enough of his cult are racist to have cost him the election if he were black. Hell, he probably would not have been the candidate in 2015 if he were black.

And guess what, SC isn't the Presidency. Also, trump treated Scott like a piece of shit. I guess you don't remember the statement about how Scott ran such a poor Presidential campaign? Scott sucked up to the orange turd hoping for a nice appointment, what did throwing away his dignity get him?
 
Fuck off. I have so much more respect for the conservatives on these boards that at least have some conviction. You and Zen ride the hell out of that fence. Your but what about tactics get old and tiring. Try to stand on your maga beliefs and stop riding the fence.

trump is a racist and enough of his cult are racist to have cost him the election if he were black. Hell, he probably would not have been the candidate in 2015 if he were black.

And guess what, SC isn't the Presidency. Also, trump treated Scott like a piece of shit. I guess you don't remember the statement about how Scott ran such a poor Presidential campaign? Scott sucked up to the orange turd hoping for a nice appointment, what did throwing away his dignity get him?
Sorry you're upset. Just pointing out the fallacy in your opinion.
 
Yeah. But there's been plenty of public outcry over other things and they haven't put it back. That indicates to me that either they don't care or they actually celebrate it.
I was responding to your question about whether people should have been upset, given that it was put back up. Of course people (including republicans) were upset during the time after it was taken down and before it was put back up.

And back to the administration lying…Katie Britt tweeted that this was malicious compliance, and Pete Hegseth…agreed! And said it would be corrected.

So…which the fuck is it? Malicious compliance or they took it down for editing (which isn’t necessary and a lame excuse, by the way) and always had every intention of putting it back on the website? Wouldn’t Hegseth know? They lied then or are lying now (probably both).

And as for why they put it back up, I think they realized some of this was just a little too much. Plus, since the republicans were falsely screeching about malicious compliance, they kind of had to put it back, no?
 
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Sorry you're upset. Just pointing out the fallacy in your opinion.
I'm not upset at all. You proved nothing by stating that SC has a black representative.
I didn't say that all Republicans are racist, I said that enough are that trump wouldn't have been elected. SC is 1 state in 50, your statement makes no difference nationally.

I'm sick and tired of reading the fence straddling bullshit that you and Zen post. Trump could flat out say that he hates all black people and you two would come back with, oh he probably didn't really mean it, he did support a black person for student council in a high school in Alaska, so...

I'm done. you and Zen are on super ignore. As much as I hate that because I like reading others' opinions, I'm just sick of both of your constant contrarianism style of bullshit fence riding posting.
 
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I guess I'll have no more responses on this thread. I've blocked the two people who constantly bring up the same old bullshit. LBGT is all about genitalia and trump isn't really a racist and the maga cult isn't full of racist because they have a black friend, somewhere.
 
I honestly don't know. Trump is a pretty singular politician in the United states. So it's not like we have the Black version of Trump to compare. Now don't confuse me, I don't compare Obama to Trump in many ways, but they were both charismatic politicians that became president. Obama of course was very tan. So it's not like a black person couldn't become president.

So I'm just not sure where the argument is that if Trump was black he couldn't become president. Republicans have elected black men to other offices. Not many, but it's not impossible.

And of course there's nothing saying that a morally flexible, charismatic celebrity black-Trump couldn't drop the abortion and maybe even the DEI stuff and still run as a Democrat. Isolationism and anti-immigration could be his main platform. Probably be a little tougher to pass a tax break for wealthy people but package it as giving back to the middle class by dropping AMT and supercharging the economy by reducing corporate taxes and slip in some capital gains decreases, and you're right back to White Republican Trump.
I think what I am saying is that a black person who acted like Trump, and said the exact things that Trump says would not be perceived the same as Trump is by some of the MAGA population. I think it would have been enough of a difference that this hypothetical black trump wouldn’t have one the general election and would have had a much harder time coming out of the primaries.
 
I was responding to your question about whether people should have been upset, given that it was put back up. Of course people (including republicans) were upset during the time after it was taken down and before it was put back up.

And back to the administration lying…Katie Britt tweeted that this was malicious compliance, and Pete Hegseth…agreed! And said it would be corrected.

So…which the fuck is it? Malicious compliance or they took it down for editing (which isn’t necessary and a lame excuse, by the way) and always had every intention of putting it back on the website? Wouldn’t Hegseth know? They lied then or are lying now (probably both).

And as for why they put it back up, I think they realized some of this was just a little too much. Plus, since the republicans were falsely screeching about malicious compliance, they kind of had to put it back, no?
I would hazard a Guess that they lied when they said they took it down for editing. I didn't see that quote but if they said it, I don't buy it.
 
I think what I am saying is that a black person who acted like Trump, and said the exact things that Trump says would not be perceived the same as Trump is by some of the MAGA population. I think it would have been enough of a difference that this hypothetical black trump wouldn’t have one the general election and would have had a much harder time coming out of the primaries.
I just don't know. Maybe you're right. But I could definitely see someone having similar views and as charismatic as Trump and having plenty of pigment.

I'm just having a tough time figuring out who might fit the bill. But then again, I can't think of any white person who would be able to take the same course as Trump either.
 
But what I think that I am really saying, though, is that - had Trump been born black, then he would never have been able to become the Trump that ran for president in the first place. A lot of folks had to “look the other way” to allow Trump to get where he is.
 
What I am really saying, though, is that - had Trump been born black, then he would never have been able to become the Trump that ran for president in the first place. A lot of folks had to “look the other way” to allow Trump to get where he is.
Maybe. Being rich and famous lets you get away with more stuff. In other words, I can definitely see a rich and famous black guy getting away with the stuff Trump got away with before I could see a poor and unknown white guy getting away with the same stuff.

But could I see a rich and famous black guy getting away with it at all? Cosby, R Kelly and Puffy got away with some pretty terrible stuff until they didn't. I guess we don't really know if any other dark Trump is getting away with stuff.
 
I was responding to your question about whether people should have been upset, given that it was put back up. Of course people (including republicans) were upset during the time after it was taken down and before it was put back up.

And back to the administration lying…Katie Britt tweeted that this was malicious compliance, and Pete Hegseth…agreed! And said it would be corrected.

So…which the fuck is it? Malicious compliance or they took it down for editing (which isn’t necessary and a lame excuse, by the way) and always had every intention of putting it back on the website? Wouldn’t Hegseth know? They lied then or are lying now (probably both).

And as for why they put it back up, I think they realized some of this was just a little too much. Plus, since the republicans were falsely screeching about malicious compliance, they kind of had to put it back, no?
How many things in various agencies that have been taken down have not been put back up? This isn't just a handful of agencies or items, there have been plenty of news stories since Trump's DEI "crackdown" of minority heroes being removed from websites and public exhibits from many different agencies, organizations, departments, etc. And of course they're lying - all these people are doing is following the directives of Trump and their bosses. I wonder how many LGBTQ people have been removed and not restored? I'd bet a good many, and they won't be coming back.
 
Maybe. Being rich and famous lets you get away with more stuff. In other words, I can definitely see a rich and famous black guy getting away with the stuff Trump got away with before I could see a poor and unknown white guy getting away with the same stuff.

But could I see a rich and famous black guy getting away with it at all? Cosby, R Kelly and Puffy got away with some pretty terrible stuff until they didn't. I guess we don't really know if any other dark Trump is getting away with stuff.
I’m talking more about the back door deals than the scandals.
 
I guess I'll have no more responses on this thread. I've blocked the two people who constantly bring up the same old bullshit. LBGT is all about genitalia and trump isn't really a racist and the maga cult isn't full of racist because they have a black friend, somewhere.
Trust me, you're better off. I put both of them on ignore awhile ago and it's a much better experience reading the board. Of course they'll say it's because I only want a "liberal echo chamber", which is bullshit. If there were arguing in good faith it would be different, but they're simply not. They love yanking people's chains here by being deliberately dense and arguing in circles as long as the other poster is willing to keep arguing or posting. It's not worth the time or effort, imo.
 
I think what I am saying is that a black person who acted like Trump, and said the exact things that Trump says would not be perceived the same as Trump is by some of the MAGA population. I think it would have been enough of a difference that this hypothetical black trump wouldn’t have one the general election and would have had a much harder time coming out of the primaries.
I don't think that a black person could have made the alliance with the Christian Nationalists, the power structure of the Republican Party and/ or the adulation from the rightwing media. It took all three of those to get us here and the foundations were laid when Trump wasn't even a contender. I think everybody is a little surprised by how this played out.
 
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