Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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1. He literally campaigned on this happening. He was elected by a majority of voters. Acting as if this is a shock is laughable
2. This is a win for the nation's education system
3. We spend more per pupil than any other country and the results are terrible
4. States and counties know how to better run their education systems so it will be a net win and serve students better
5. This, along with border security were two of the key issues I voted for.
But we kept hearing that every stupid idea he mentioned in the campaign wasn't going to happen, from the local conservatives like ramrouser.

It's clear that most who voted for him didn't read or understand his concepts of policies..

Even then, he won an election to be president not dictator. I really doubt that a majority want to dismantle our education system, but I could be wrong considering some states seem to believe everything can be taught from the Bible, while others see school as a place of indoctrination instead of education.

This will not be good for many states, some may be better. But overall this is a negative for the country.

Also, if trump believes everything should be done at the state level, maybe we should disband the United States and become 50 countries, with an EU type of agreement for trade and travel.
 
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excuse me. A EU dept of education. just like states here, each country has its own standards. germany's system is independent from england's and that is independent from france's. The result is a far superior system.
Dumbass
 
Yeah, I don’t see how anyone could look at a list of states ranked by educational outcomes and think red states will actually benefit by having everything left up to the states. Unless the goal is to have an uneducated populace. Which it very well may be.
That is the goal. It's easier to manipulate and indoctrinate the less educated.
 
Are you even trying anymore?
No.

He’s bored and too lazy to engage meaningfully with non RWM sources, nor people who know much more than him.

That said, you’ve triggered the ever. living. fuck. out of him, by ripping off his Gipper mask and planting a “maga” brand on his forehead.
 
No.

He’s bored and too lazy to engage meaningfully with non RWM sources, nor people who know much more than him.

That said, you’ve triggered the ever. living. fuck. out of him, by ripping off his Gipper mask and planting a “maga” brand on his forehead.
It ain't cheap paying both a mortgage and rent inside that dude's head….but it is worth every penny.
 
What the hell are you even arguing? Each of those are distinct countries- not states- regardless of their European Union status. You're trying to argue for the elimination of a federal department of education, and you used Europe as an example of good educational outcomes- and, whattaya know, lo and behold, each of those European countries has a FEDERAL equivalent of an education department. Are you even trying anymore?
I'm arguing that a central body isn't necessary for a quality education and that individual states can achieve a better quality educational outcome independently than 1 governing body that sets national directives that likely aren't beneficial and drains resources.
 
I'm arguing that a central body isn't necessary for a quality education and that individual states can achieve a better quality educational outcome independently than 1 governing body that sets national directives that likely aren't beneficial and drains resources.
And your argument is wrong, because the federal DOE doesn’t set educational directives or curricula standards; it primarily provides funding and resources for state and local organizations that do not otherwise have those resources because their state or local governments cannot or will not provide them. So, sure, let’s get rid of the one single governmental agency that makes sure that all of the poor, rural kids in red states even have school doors to walk through and teachers to teach them. I’m so certain that Mississippi will fall all over itself to bridge that funding gap!
 
excuse me. A EU dept of education. just like states here, each country has its own standards. germany's system is independent from england's and that is independent from france's. The result is a far superior system.
Do you think those systems do what our dept of ed system does? Do you think they act as a central body that is involved in every facet of education? No, they don't. Europe doesn't have it.
 
Do you think those systems do what our dept of ed system does? Do you think they act as a central body that is involved in every facet of education? No, they don't. Europe doesn't have it.
The European equivalents are actually FAR more involved in curricula and direction of the educational processes than our DOE is.

So if you're arguing that Europeans have better results, then you're arguing in favor of more directly implementation of nationwide curriculum, not less.
 
Do you think those systems do what our dept of ed system does? Do you think they act as a central body that is involved in every facet of education? No, they don't. Europe doesn't have it.
Could you name a country for us that has a great public education system but that doesn’t run that system through a centralized national agency?

Seriously, how did you become so misinformed about this topic? Where did you get boatloads of false information about something that, by your own admission, was one of the two main reasons you voted for Trump? Did Fox do this to you?
 
Do you think those systems do what our dept of ed system does? Do you think they act as a central body that is involved in every facet of education? No, they don't. Europe doesn't have it.
You should sleep well knowing the US DoE has limited power over state curriculum, within a system far more decentralized than most European countries.
 
And your argument is wrong, because the federal DOE doesn’t set educational directives or curricula standards; it primarily provides funding and resources for state and local organizations that do not otherwise have those resources because their state or local governments cannot or will not provide them. So, sure, let’s get rid of the one single governmental agency that makes sure that all of the poor, rural kids in red states even have school doors to walk through and teachers to teach them. I’m so certain that Mississippi will fall all over itself to bridge that funding gap!
I didn't say that was the role of the dept of education. They do however exert a heavy influence over curricula standards in certain areas and drive red tape that saps resources or requires spending more to add resources to meet the red tape requirements. They get involved in almost every facet of education including title lX that could be addressed at the state level. With the fantastic dept of education and the $$$ we spend per pupil, why do we lag behind so many other countries in the world? Hell, we spend more than any other country per pupil right? Where is the ROI? Time to reallocate and give autonomy to the people who know best what the needs of their students are. Time to admit that not every kid should be going to college and start apprenticeships and career paths so that kids leave high school with a marketable skill without feeling like they are a failure for not going to college.
 
Could you name a country for us that has a great public education system but that doesn’t run that system through a centralized national agency?

Seriously, how did you become so misinformed about this topic? Where did you get boatloads of false information about something that, by your own admission, was one of the two main reasons you voted for Trump? Did Fox do this to you?
Typically when you grow up in it the first hand information isn't misleading or false.
 
I didn't say that was the role of the dept of education. They do however exert a heavy influence over curricula standards in certain areas and drive red tape that saps resources or requires spending more to add resources to meet the red tape requirements. They get involved in almost every facet of education including title lX that could be addressed at the state level. With the fantastic dept of education and the $$$ we spend per pupil, why do we lag behind so many other countries in the world? Hell, we spend more than any other country per pupil right? Where is the ROI? Time to reallocate and give autonomy to the people who know best what the needs of their students are. Time to admit that not every kid should be going to college and start apprenticeships and career paths so that kids leave high school with a marketable skill without feeling like they are a failure for not going to college.
Just so painfully, hopelessly wrong about all this. PLEASE stop taking the Liar in Chief at his word.

 
Even ignoring the fact that red states in the aggregate receive disproportionately more funding from the DOE than do blue states, the DOE has indisputably been one of the primary reasons for the ascension of the United States to global economic superpower status. The DOE indirectly spurs research, innovation, and the matriculation of high-skilled workers in America. You can trace virtually every single technological and scientific advancement or achievement that we have made in the last 80 years directly to the American educational system; DARPA, the DOD, medical advancement, biotech technology, computer science, etc.

if you look at where the most “need” is in education, it’s disabled children (not sure if that’s the proper terminology – someone please feel free to correct me). The DOE is one of the sole funding sources for special needs programs nationwide; 15% of all students in public schools nationwide benefit from this funding.

Then there’s the federal lending programs, like the Stafford loan. Something like 42 million people in the United States have federal student loans and it represents something like 93% of all student loan debt in America. This Stafford program has given people opportunities for education that wouldn't have been otherwise been possible, therefore contributing to upward social mobility for generations of people.

And speaking of upward social mobility, there’s the Pell Grant program, which I think is one of the absolute best investments the United States government has ever made, and not just because I was a Pell Grant kid. Over 221 million Americans have received Pell Grants since 1980. For reference, there are currently 260 million living Americans over the age of 18. Eliminating the sole provider of educational funding for poor kids is absolutely against the majority of Americans’ best interest.

Republicans want to diminish education and eliminate the DOE but as we’ve seen on this very thread, they cannot even present a coherent argument beyond anecdotal hysteria they learned on Fox or Truth Social. Most charitably, they are too ignorant to understand what the DOE does, and more sinisterly, they just want to hurt others. But elimination of the DOE would be, IMO, perhaps single-handedly the worst move any American presidential administration could make short of launching nukes.

Education is the singular greatest socioeconomic equalizer and provider of upward social mobility in this country. Nothing should surprise me anymore, but I am genuinely surprised that so many Republicans are willing to cut off the noses of their children and grandchildren just to try to spite the libs.
 
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Just so painfully, hopelessly wrong about all this. PLEASE stop taking the Liar in Chief at his word.

I haven't gotten any of my beliefs from trump. As I said, I lived it growing up. Read this and tell me if you disagree with this presentation of the DOE (I care about the macro level view. I'm not going to argue any specific numbers that may or may not be factually correct - rather the trends that are indicated) because this follows very closely what I lived and many that I am friends with who are living and working in the educational world today.

 
I haven't gotten any of my beliefs from trump. As I said, I lived it growing up. Read this and tell me if you disagree with this presentation of the DOE (I care about the macro level view. I'm not going to argue any specific numbers that may or may not be factually correct - rather the trends that are indicated) because this follows very closely what I lived and many that I am friends with who are living and working in the educational world today.

"How bad is it? Seven in 10 American fourth graders are not proficient readers, meaning they struggle with reading grade-level literature and comprehending informational texts." -Betsy DeVos (B.A. - Calvin College)

Which mostly explains why Trump was elected.

And DeVos apparently didn't do jack squat to fix it while she was head of the DOE. So she's essentially admitting that she sucked at her job.
 
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I haven't gotten any of my beliefs from trump. As I said, I lived it growing up. Read this and tell me if you disagree with this presentation of the DOE (I care about the macro level view. I'm not going to argue any specific numbers that may or may not be factually correct - rather the trends that are indicated) because this follows very closely what I lived and many that I am friends with who are living and working in the educational world today.

“I don’t get my info from Trump, here’s Betsy De Vos.” 😂😂
 
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