Trump Admin dismantling Dept. of Education — mass firings underway

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CFordUNC said:
Even ignoring the fact that red states in the aggregate receive disproportionately more funding from the DOE than do blue states, the DOE has indisputably been one of the primary reasons for the ascension of the United States to global economic superpower status. The DOE indirectly spurs research, innovation, and the matriculation of high-skilled workers in America. You can trace virtually every single technological and scientific advancement or achievement that we have made in the last 80 years directly to the American educational system; DARPA, the DOD, medical advancement, biotech technology, computer science, etc.

if you look at where the most “need” is in education, it’s disabled children (not sure if that’s the proper terminology – someone please feel free to correct me). The DOE is one of the sole funding sources for special needs programs nationwide; 15% of all students in public schools nationwide benefit from this funding.

Then there’s the federal lending programs, like the Stafford loan. Something like 42 million people in the United States have federal student loans and it represents something like 93% of all student loan debt in America. This Stafford program has given people opportunities for education that wouldn't have been otherwise been possible, therefore contributing to upward social mobility for generations of people.

And speaking of upward social mobility, there’s the Pell Grant program, which I think is one of the absolute best investments the United States government has ever made, and not just because I was a Pell Grant kid. Over 221 million Americans have received Pell Grants since 1980. For reference, there are currently 260 million living Americans over the age of 18. Eliminating the sole provider of educational funding for poor kids is absolutely against the majority of Americans’ best interest.

Republicans want to diminish education and eliminate the DOE but as we’ve seen on this very thread, they cannot even present a coherent argument beyond anecdotal hysteria they learned on Fox or Truth Social. Most charitably, they are too ignorant to understand what the DOE does, and more sinisterly, they just want to hurt others. But elimination of the DOE would be, IMO, perhaps single-handedly the worst move any American presidential administration could make short of launching nukes.

Education is the singular greatest socioeconomic equalizer and provider of upward social mobility in this country. Nothing should surprise me anymore, but I am genuinely surprised that so many Republicans are willing to cut off the noses of their children and grandchildren just to try to spite the libs.
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Now address the failure in our educational system. Why does this country rank much lower than other countries that spend less per pupil? We spend more than any other country in the world. Its funny you say republicans are to ignorant to know what the doe does, but you seem ignorant of the way in which it operates and the waste built into it and the wasted resources it creates. Everyone of those functions it provides can be provided with far fewer layers of bureaucratic red tape and with increased accountability. More dollars going to actually teaching kids and less bureaucratic bullshit. But that's a bad thing right.
 
Callatoroy said:
Now address the failure in our educational system. Why does this country rank much lower than other countries that spend less per pupil? We spend more than any other country in the world. Its funny you say republicans are to ignorant to know what the doe does, but you seem ignorant of the way in which it operates and the waste built into it and the wasted resources it creates. Everyone of those functions it provides can be provided with far fewer layers of bureaucratic red tape and with increased accountability. More dollars going to actually teaching kids and less bureaucratic bullshit. But that's a bad thing right.
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You want me to address the failure in our educational system? It’s in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, et al. It ain’t in Massachusetts, New York, California, Vermont, Minnesota, Connecticut, Maryland etc. Why do you think that might be? It’s a pretty easy answer!

There is one reliably red state in the top 20 states measured by educational attainment. It’s Utah. Guess what kinds of states comprise the entirety of the bottom 20? And why do you think those kinds of states comprise the entirety of the bottom 20?

When you or the right are talking about the failure in the educational system in our country, you’re not talking about failures in states that have made it a legislative priority to fund education. Kids in Colorado and Connecticut, for example, have far, far better educational outcomes in the aggregate than their counterparts in Mississippi or Louisiana. The failure is in states like Alabama that think that pouring money into federal prisons named after the state governor are a better use of state taxpayer resources than funding the state’s educational system.

So, OK, let’s eliminate the DOE. Where do you propose poor red states find funding for students with special needs, or students from rural and low income backgrounds, or students from underserved populations, or students from middle class backgrounds who can’t afford the cost of attendance of higher education out-of-pocket? Where do you propose poor red states find funding for K-12 teachers in rural districts? You know they are not going to raise taxes. So where do they come up with that revenue?
 
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CFordUNC said:
You want me to address the failure in our educational system? It’s in Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana, Arkansas, et al. It ain’t in Massachusetts, New York, California, Vermont, Minnesota, Connecticut, Maryland etc. Why do you think that might be? It’s a pretty easy answer!
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You can strike Cal from the over achievers list. Our k-12 public schools are not so hot — especially when you consider we spend more on k-12 education in this state than the GDP of some countries.
 
CFordUNC said:
The Department of Education doesn't set national academic standards or curricula. States and local governments *already* set academic standards, including requirements for both enrollment and graduation, and also set licensing requirements for teachers and other educational staff. Among other functions, the DOE exists to provide funding and resources to state, local, and community-based educational organizations, especially those in rural, low-population, underserved, and under-resourced areas. Many of these rural, low-population (thus low property tax revenue), underserved, and under-resourced areas are in Republican-controlled states. In other words, the Department of Education is subsidizing public education for rural and underserved students in red states whose own state and local governments can't or won't do it themselves. Eliminating the Department of Education will primarily hurt students in rural red states. States like Oklahoma, Mississippi, Alabama, Louisiana, Missouri, the Dakotas, etc. are already DFL across the board in almost every available educational quality metric. What do you think is going to happen to them when they are left to try to fund their own educational systems?
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Don’t know. But it’s what they voted for so they can just keep falling behind.
 
Calheel said:
You can strike Cal from the over achievers list. Our k-12 public schools are not so hot — especially when you consider we spend more on k-12 education in this state than the GDP of some countries.
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Perhaps it cost more money in America BECAUSE every state is left to their own devices for things like curriculum, standards, assessment, teacher, training, etc. It costs a lot more when every state has to do redundant work.

I’m a 20 year educator and spent two years in a leadership program studying the countries with the best educational outcomes across the world. Those countries all have five things in common, notably, that they all have centralized standards/curricula, teacher prep programs, value teachers with high pay, a focus on early childhood education from ages 3-5, and off ramps for career/technical education.

Regarding your reply about “not every student needing to go to college”, one of the primary functions of the department of education is funding for career/technical education through Perkins funding. CTE programs at local schools get almost al of their funding from the DOE.
 
Keep 'em dumb. Keep 'em voting RED.
Callatoroy said:
Shannon, you big mad aren't you? I do appreciate you though. Every time I see a post of yours I immediately think, which one is Shannon?

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MAGA in a nutshell. It's not about what's best for the country. It's about punishing others because we had 8 wonderful years under the GPOTUS Obama. It's all about the grievances. It's a party of trolls. Troll POTUS. Troll DOGE. Troll Congress. Troll constituency. Moral midgetry. Pathetic.
 


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, the Education Department’s deputy assistant secretary for communications, told ProPublica she could not provide details about the canceled contracts, saying that “my understanding is we don’t release specific information.”

But she said there were 90 contracts that had been identified as “waste, fraud and abuse.” She said canceling them was “in line with the department’s goal of making sure it is focused on meaningful learning” and to “make sure taxpayer funds are used appropriately.”

She directed a reporter to the DOGE account on X for more details. …”
 
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, the Education Department’s deputy assistant secretary for communications, told ProPublica she could not provide details about the canceled contracts, saying that “my understanding is we don’t release specific information.”

But she said there were 90 contracts that had been identified as “waste, fraud and abuse.” She said canceling them was “in line with the department’s goal of making sure it is focused on meaningful learning” and to “make sure taxpayer funds are used appropriately.”

She directed a reporter to the DOGE account on X for more details. …”
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They are all of the sudden really into cancel culture.

They just choose the wrong things to cancel.
 
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“… A form letter sent to Department of Education employees, obtained by CNN, informing them of their termination stated: “The Agency finds, based on your performance, that you have not demonstrated that your further employment at the Agency would be in the public interest.”

At the Department of Education, the firings have impacted employees across the agency from the general counsel’s office, to the Office of Special Education and Rehabilitation Services that supports programs for children with disabilities, to the Federal Student Aid office, a union source told CNN. …”

 


TBF, it isn’t really worse than I think since I know about the sexual abuse toleration/look the other was scandal addressed in the link.
 
Callatoroy said:
Now address the failure in our educational system. Why does this country rank much lower than other countries that spend less per pupil? We spend more than any other country in the world. Its funny you say republicans are to ignorant to know what the doe does, but you seem ignorant of the way in which it operates and the waste built into it and the wasted resources it creates. Everyone of those functions it provides can be provided with far fewer layers of bureaucratic red tape and with increased accountability. More dollars going to actually teaching kids and less bureaucratic bullshit. But that's a bad thing right.
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The answer is that dumb parents beget dumb kids. Parents have a major role in the education and upbringing of their own children.

This causes a major problem in two main areas. Rural ignorant uneducated MAGA voters raise rural ignorant uneducated kids. The second area is in inner cities where many kids have no father figure or a father in jail. Many of the mothers are druggies, and if not, are working two to three jobs with little time to help educate their kids and keep them off the streets.

All the money thrown at the school system will not fix this. Yet, we actually need better pay for better teachers and schools.

Cleaning up the beaurocracy and wasted money would be wonderful. Unfortunately, what Trump really wants is to dismantle everything and provide vouchers (payments) to the wealthy that already have kids in private schools, and the wealthy that run them. It would also funnel a ton of money to churches, that are supposed to be tax exempt non profits.
 
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