Trump Admin takes over D.C. Policing

[Duke Mu]

It's half of Shreveport, NOLA, Memphis, St. Louis. Oh, they're in Red states!

 

[ChileG]

so, MAGA is now on board with raising taxes significantly in order to greatly increase police forces.
Good to know.

 

[finesse]

so, MAGA is now on board with raising taxes significantly in order to greatly increase police forces.
Good to know.

Since we're spending more both absolutely and in terms of percentage on law enforcement and getting less from it, it makes sense for the MAGAts to increase hiring and spending. They're renowned for making the same dumbass mistake over and over again. It certainly wouldn't occur to them to consider that a new approach could be better.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

Could that be related to poverty rates rather than race?

Generally speaking, higher rates of poverty = higher rates of unemployment, violence, drug abuse, lower educational attainment, and a whole bunch of other negative effects.

Given that black folks are historically among the most poverty stricken, it stands to reason that their communities would show a disproportionate impact.

There are a number of factors at play. But it is disingenuous to blame the GOP for high murder rates that are carried out by a demographic that votes D 90%+ of the time. It would be like saying that Durham has a high crime rate because of Duke.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

So does that mean having a higher percentage of African-Americans in an area will cause a higher murder rate in that area?

Yes.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

It's half of Shreveport, NOLA, Memphis, St. Louis. Oh, they're in Red states!

Shreveport, NOLA, Memphis, and St. Louis are solid blue islands in red states. That’s not the flex you think it is.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

I'm assuming the "something else" is that they have high black populations. The problem with that stereotype is that there is data showing that it's violence by Southern whites that has led to the South having a higher crime rate than the rest of the nation.

From the conclusion of a study by the Southern Medical Journal: "The overall high homicide rates in the southern United States were attributable to relatively higher NHW (Non-Hispanic Whites) rates than those found in the rest of the country."

Link: Homicide in the South: Higher Rates Among Whites and Fewer Racial Disparities

Yeah no, that is incorrect per FBI stats. Black men in the south are multiple times more likely to commit homicide than white men. As I stated earlier, 7% of the population (black men) account for nearly 50% of all homicides in the US.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Yeah no, that is incorrect per FBI stats. Black men in the south are multiple times more likely to commit homicide than white men. As I stated earlier, 7% of the population (black men) account for nearly 50% of all homicides in the US.

You're missing the point of the article, which is that one reason why homicide rates are higher in the South isn't due to a higher homicide rate among blacks, which is nationwide, but because Southern whites have higher homicide rates than whites in other regions of the country. As you stated yourself, homicide rates among blacks nationally is about the same, but what you're not discussing is that the homicide rate among Southern whites is higher than the rate for whites in most other parts of the country. Which kind of undermines your point that Southern white MAGAs shouldn't be blamed for why red states have higher homicide rates than other states. Yes, the homicide rate among black men is high, but white Southern MAGAS also have a higher rate than the national average.

 

[ChileG]

High proportion of African-American residents which drives the murder rate up.

How does that differentiate these states from DC?
Point being, MAGA is saying places like DC are overrun by crime due to democratic policies, but the red states have the same issues, but even worse.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

You're missing the point of the article, which is that one reason why homicide rates are higher in the South isn't due to a higher homicide rate among blacks, which is nationwide, but because Southern whites have higher homicide rates than whites in other regions of the country. As you stated yourself, homicide rates among blacks nationally is about the same, but what you're not discussing is that the homicide rate among Southern whites is higher than the rate for whites in most other parts of the country. Which kind of undermines your point that Southern white MAGAs shouldn't be blamed for why red states have higher homicide rates than other states. Yes, the homicide rate among black men is high, but white Southern MAGAS also have a higher rate than the national average.

Yes, but higher than national average is still less than the homicide rate amongst blacks. Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Shreveport, Birmingham, Atlanta, etc are some of the most dangerous cities in the country and that is not because of white magas. If you look up the most dangerous cities and counties in the country the single most common denominator is a high percentage of of African Americans.

 

[superrific]

Remember, y'all. This country fried barrel is the same mook who creams himself thinking about the genocide in Gaza and thinks Derek Chauvin got screwed. He thinks it's peachy keen to empty a magazine blindly into an apartment where there are black people. Of course he thinks black people are criminals.

He also has Zen's math skills. Zen has better logic.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Yes, but higher than national average is still less than the homicide rate amongst blacks. Memphis, Baltimore, New Orleans, Shreveport, Birmingham, Atlanta, etc are some of the most dangerous cities in the country and that is not because of white magas. If you look up the most dangerous cities and counties in the country the single most common denominator is a high percentage of of African Americans.

But as the study showed rural white areas also have higher homicide rates than the national average, and that also drives up the homicide rate in the red states that are listed. Your original point was that (white) MAGAs can't be blamed for the high homicide rates in those states, and that study shows that isn't the case. If they have a higher homicide rate that also influences the data as well, no?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

But as the study showed rural white areas also have higher homicide rates than the national average, and that also drives up the homicide rate in the red states that are listed. Your original point was that (white) MAGAs can't be blamed for the high homicide rates in those states, and that study shows that isn't the case. If they have a higher homicide rate that also influences the data as well, no?

They contribute, but they are not the driving contribution.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

They contribute, but they are not the driving contribution.

So then MAGAs are not, as you originally said, exempt from sharing some of the blame for the problem. Thanks for confirming my original point.

 

[superrific]

There are a number of factors at play. But it is disingenuous to blame the GOP for high murder rates that are carried out by a demographic that votes D 90%+ of the time. It would be like saying that Durham has a high crime rate because of Duke.

You have no clue about crime or about statistics, do you? What determines whether a population has a high crime rate ain't whether they vote for Dems. It's the policies.

The reason that the black cities in the south have higher crime rates is because the policies in those cities are established at the state level (as they are everywhere). And the red states don't give a fuck about those black cities, and are happy to see the crime be high so long as it doesn't leech out into the white areas. In fact, they like high crime rates in black cities. And this strategy works because they keep such high levels of residential segregation.

I spent a lot of time in St. Louis and I know what I'm fucking talking about.

Oh, and Durham does have a high crime rate in part because of Duke. Not because of Duke students, but because of what the institution of Duke University does to the black community there, and what is has historically done.

 

[superrific]

Yes. Statistically, African-American males commit murder at a much higher rate than any other demographic in this country. Roughly 7% of the population accounts for nearly half of all homicides.

Here we go. Idiots who do not understand statistics AT ALL but think they are fucking geniuses because they half understood some article they read years ago. It really shouldn't have to be said that correlation isn't causation but some of our posters don't really operate at normal adult levels of mental functioning.

 

[Icky Mettle]

Yes.

Really? There is actual causation based solely on race? I’m curious then why New Jersey, which has a fairly sizable African-American population, also has a relatively low murder rate compared to most states. And Alaska, which has one of the smaller AA populations, has one of the higher murder rates among all states (ditto for New Mexico). Also, why is it that those southern states with higher murder rates also have higher murder rates among their white populations compared to other states? Obviously that’s a statistic that contributes to their higher murder rates, but what contributed to that statistic?

And were you suggesting earlier that having substantial AA populations provides a bit of an excuse for those southern states having comparatively high murder rates (maybe you weren’t suggesting that)? If that’s the case then why wasn’t Washington, DC afforded such consideration? And is there an excuse for the higher murder rates within the white populations (relative to other states) of those states?

 

[superrific]

In particular, in Shreveport and New Orleans, there are serious issues with lead poisoning. Basically Louisiana never gave a shit about lead exposure and even after they were forced to by the EPA, they did a shitty job of remediation (if they even did any at all). So lead levels in the soil are high; lead levels in the cities' housing stock are high; and black children have historically had way more exposure to lead.

And lead exposure causes crime.

 

[heelinhell]

Sorting Out the Facts on 'Waste and Abuse' at USAID - FactCheck.org

As President Donald Trump's administration targets the U.S. Agency for International Development for closure or major downsizing, the White House and social media posts have highlighted four projects as examples of the agency's "waste and abuse." But only one was funded by USAID.

www.factcheck.org

Also looks like the State Department was in on this bullshit 2…

Thanks for the link, but I don't see any mention of surgeries for transgenders in India. I do see that factcheck refers to the USAID budget as less than 1% of our overall budget .

I believe that is a small investment in the exercise of geopolitical soft power. China understands the "power" of soft power. Trump and his MAGAs, being ignorant when it comes to geopolitics, do not.

 

[ZZLPHeels]

So then MAGAs are not, as you originally said, exempt from sharing some of the blame for the problem. Thanks for confirming my original point.

Except the original point was hyper-focused on blaming the MAGAS for the high crime rate when the data has shown that this is a dishonest allegation.