Trump at Nat’l Assoc. of Black Journalists (NABJ)

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PBOHEEL said:
So you are for socialized medicine?

Interesting.

In all honesty… not to pick a fight… I’m almost certain most of the posters on this site support Socialism but are afraid to admit it.

Enjoyed the talks today.

I’ll leave you guys to your daily GOP bashing!

Enjoy!
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So you post bullshit and people respond to your bullshit with links, facts, and articles. Then you determine everybody here supports socialism but are afraid to admit it. And your response to everyone not immediately agreeing with the garbage you post is to whine about being ganged up on and “GOP bashing.”

The problem is that you believe bullshit, and when confronted with that fact you become defensive. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
 
CFordUNC said:
Baiting MAGA into fully removing their white hoods 3 months before the election is just....chef's kiss.
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Agree. But I’m afraid trump facilitated the white hood removal a long time ago. Before trump, Charlottesville 2017 would have been a white hood event. But now, with trump it’s red ball caps and no hoods in broad daylight.
 
farce said:
So you post bullshit and people respond to your bullshit with links, facts, and articles. Then you determine everybody here supports socialism but are afraid to admit it. And your response to everyone not immediately agreeing with the garbage you post is to whine about being ganged up on and “GOP bashing.”

The problem is that you believe bullshit, and when confronted with that fact you become defensive. And you wonder why no one takes you seriously?
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The “fuck your feelings, facts don’t care about your feelings!” crowd sure does have a lot of feelings about facts.
 
Calheel said:
Well, I also said rarely.

And the willingness to cross-party lines tends to manifest itself more at the state level than in federal elections. I am much more willing to vote for Republicans in California elections than federal elections. In fact, I don’t think I have ever voted for a Republican at the federal level. Does that make me in a cult, too?

Bill Barr is another Heelyeah type. He was very critical of Trump after the 2020 election and publicly advocated for anyone but Trump to win the primary. That said, he is so steeped in Republican dogma that he couldn’t vote for a democrat. And as Barr points out, third party voting is just throwing your vote away. So he has publicly said that he is supporting Trump. That doesn’t make him part of the Trump base.

Again, if we are going to define every Trump voter as the “base” then that word has lost all meaning.
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I mean, if there’s zero percent chance that they’ll vote for anyone other than Trump in November—and a 100% chance they’ll vote for Trump no matter how low he goes, no matter what he does, no matter how many laws and democratic norms he breaks—that’s pretty much his base.
 
In about 30 seconds I found two articles from 2016 describing Kamala Harris as biracial (Black and Indian) when she was running for the Senate.
How about our board GOPers give us a time when Kamala was referred to as being only Indian and I can go back further if necessary.
 
you do have to give a little bit of grace to the GOP crowd. they have a hard time holding 2 thoughts in their mind at the same time so its difficult for them to understand how she can be both indian and black.
 
CallMeTyler said:
This is the sort of drive-by shit posting we want to avoid on this forum.
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Agree. When people said last week “I really want conservatives on this new board, I don’t want it to be an echo chamber” I get it. But all we seem to get are Maga Trumpers with their inane BS and no real, old school Republicans with some damn sense.

George Will was a Republican. But he changed to unaffiliated because of all the tea-party, Qanon, Maga crap. If we had some George Will type conservatives on the board making eloquent points and arguing honestly and intellectually, that would be grand.

But the so-called conservatives who’ve reared their ugly heads thus far on the board are to be shunned and ignored, there is no “there” there in their lame attempts at engagement.
 
PBOHEEL said:
In all honesty… not to pick a fight… I’m almost certain most of the posters on this site support Socialism but are afraid to admit it.
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I support a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

So do you.

That's why my tax dollars help pay for a fire truck to come to your house when it's on fire (along with 1,000 similar exampbles of how my money benefits you and your family).

You want a fire department based on the principles of free market capitalism? Police department? Military? Roads and infrastructure? Please. Try to be serious.
 
EyeballKid said:
I mean, if there’s zero percent chance that they’ll vote for anyone other than Trump in November—and a 100% chance they’ll vote for Trump no matter how low he goes, no matter what he does, no matter how many laws and democratic norms he breaks—that’s pretty much his base.
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How many voters out there as of today are persuadable by either side? 10%? Maybe less?

If your definition of base is “a voter that is not obtainable by the other candidate” then we are at 45% Trump base, 45% Harris base, and 10% independent.

But that is a weird definition of base. I think of base as the enthusiastic Trump supporters that are highly likely to turn out to vote for him in November. And in that category I would place about 35% of the electorate.

The whole idea of a base is that it is a base. You know, the solid foundation upon which all other support is added. Saying that everyone who will vote for him is part of the base makes the word lose its meaning.
 
TarSpiel said:
I support a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

So do you.

That's why my tax dollars help pay for a fire truck to come to your house when it's on fire (along with 1,000 similar exampbles of how my money benefits you and your family).

You want a fire department based on the principles of free market capitalism? Police department? Military? Roads and infrastructure? Please. Try to be serious.
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The socialism is funny - they want all these public services. They want Medicare when they retire. They want Bankruptcy when things go really really badly.

This country's problem (well one problem) is folks want pure capitalism for the positive things only.
 
TarSpiel said:
I support a mixture of socialism and capitalism.

So do you.

That's why my tax dollars help pay for a fire truck to come to your house when it's on fire (along with 1,000 similar exampbles of how my money benefits you and your family).

You want a fire department based on the principles of free market capitalism? Police department? Military? Roads and infrastructure? Please. Try to be serious.
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Your fire department mention reminds me of this very true anecdote. My grandparents lived in a very small rural community off it the Osage river in Missouri, outside of Jefferson City. We would visit them every year.

In the 70’s, there was a small privatized fire volunteer fire department that oversaw a lot of the small communities in the area. Every year, they would go around collecting the “donations” from the community residents. My grandfather was well known in the area, and always helped them out financially. One year, their neighbors decided NOT to donate for the coming year.

Well you know what happened. Their house had a fire. The fire department rushed their trucks to the fire, because their house was about 30 feet from my grandparents house. The fire truck proceeded to hose down my grandparents house, and only attempted to put out the fire in the other house when it was threatening my grandparents house. The benefits of being a member I guess.
 

Kamala Harris first ran for public office in 2003. Here is an article from 2003 from the SF Gate on her election win, describing her as African American.

So, I have proven conclusively that she was ALWAYS known as being black since she first ran for public office over 20 years ago.

So, PBO - you have been proven wrong on your claim that she has changed her race over time to whatever suits her best politically. Can you admit that?
 
Not to be "that guy" but, long before yesterday, to anyone with two working neurons to rub together, yesterday was not a surprise. Yeah, yeah, grandpa looked liked he was about to drop trous, dig into his Depends, and start throwing poop into the audience. But here's the deal, to the MAGA faithful, yesterday's performance was a feature, not a flaw.
 
PBOHEEL said:
Yeah….
  • Against fracking - Excessive fracking that exposes the environment in harmful ways? Sure.
  • Abolish private insurance - For profit insurance that dilutes and denies care while increasing margins. Insurance companies increased profits by 6%, or $18 billion dollars in the first half of 2023. Do you find those margins acceptable for a system meant to provide healthcare?
  • Mandatory gun buybacks - I haven't seen anything related to this. If there's some reasonable articles promoting this position, please share them.
  • Open borders - This simply isn't true. The bi-partisan border bill that was supported by this administration and prominent Republicans attests to this. In fact, your candidate was the cause of its failure to pass.
  • Healthcare for illegal immigrants - I haven't seen evidence of a wholesale proposal to open Medicaid to all non-citizens. If there's some reasonable articles promoting this position, please share them.
  • Banning gasoline/combustion engines by a set date - If we're talking about pivoting from ICE for new sales after a certain deadline, I'm not opposed to this, granted the government provides heavy subsidies to encourage EV adoption. This world must transition from CO2-heavy producers, and shifting away from ICE would have profound impacts on our environment, potentially removing upwards of 10% of all CO2 production directly. That presents a significant opportunity to help alter course with climate change.
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