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WaynetheDrain said:
So Joe Biden withheld giving Israel bombs that could blow Palestine off the map, but Trump doesn't hesitate to send them.

Way to think it through, Dearborn. Hope your symbolic abstinence was worth it.
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You don't think Israel, if it wanted to, couldn't have wiped Gaza/Palestine off the map by now?
 
BlueSteel said:
Not only are we again a laughing stock under Trump, but we’re also bordering on being a threat to global stability. What a mess.

apnews.com

European leaders gather for an emergency meeting over fear Trump has isolated age-old allies

French President Emmanuel Macron has called leaders from key European Union nations and the United Kingdom for an emergency meeting Monday.
apnews.com apnews.com

Note to the Callas who will undoubtedly try to prop this up that “being feared” is a position of strength: There’s a stark difference between being feared “as a leader” vs being feared as a loose cannon and regarded as a liability. We have clearly become the latter.
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I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Giving Russia what they want is a bad outcome. Bad for Ukraine. Bad for Europe. Bad for NATO. Bad for the US.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Grow the fuck up.

There is only one outcome for letting Trump “try.” Giving Russia Ukraine. That’s it.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
No I don’t, because the previous administration wouldn’t have allowed it to happen. This current administration clearly welcomes it.
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That's a different topic. You mentioned that it's apparently an issue for Israel to have these bombs from the US because it allows Israel to wipe Gaza/Palestine off the planet. Do you not think Israel had the fire power to do that before these bombs were delivered?
 
ZenMode said:
That's a different topic. You mentioned that it's apparently an issue for Israel to have these bombs from the US because it allows Israel to wipe Gaza/Palestine off the planet. Do you not think Israel had the fire power to do that before these bombs were delivered?
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I guess you didn't read the tacit assent on the packing list.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Pretty sure most would agree that conceding a soverign nation/ally to an aggressor/enemy isn't an acceptable resolution to this, but I guess you're cool with that—for the record?
 
BlueSteel said:
Pretty sure most would agree that conceding a soverign nation/ally to an aggressor/enemy isn't an acceptable resolution to this, but I guess you're cool with that—for the record?
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I've heard more than one report that the Biden admin felt like they'd have to concede some portion of Ukraine to Putin to end the war.
 
ZenMode said:
I've heard more than one report that the Biden admin felt like they'd have to concede some portion of Ukraine to Putin to end the war.
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Kind of makes you wonder if that's why the war wasn't ended under Biden, no? Just putting 2 and 2 together here...
 
BlueSteel said:
Kind of makes you wonder if that's why the war wasn't ended under Biden, no? Just putting 2 and 2 together here...
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I assume that it was better than publicly saying that we were better off the longer they fought as long as the Russians didn't actually win. The Ukraine winning or the war just grinding on was the best return on foreign military aid since Lend Lease.
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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He’s cutting out our European allies and Ukraine from the peace negotiations. What could possibly go wrong?
 
ZenMode said:
I don't think Trump trying to end the Ukraine/Russia war is about fear. Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?

Depending on the outcome, it may not be bad, right?
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Bad for whom? Trump and Putin, no. Ukraine and Europe (outside of Belarus and maybe Hungary and Slovakia), yes.
 
BlueSteel said:
Kind of makes you wonder if that's why the war wasn't ended under Biden, no? Just putting 2 and 2 together here...
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Could be, but it seems very unlikely that Putin is going to agree to end the war without being able to say he 'won' something. Doing so would be the end of his Presidency.
 
ZenMode said:
Biden and the rest of the world have had plenty of time to figure out an end to the war. What's wrong with letting Trump try?
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The Pubs undermined Ukraine. That's why the war didn't end before now. If Congress hadn't sat on its ass for six months complaining about "America First" and sent Ukraine the equipment Ukraine was calling for, then Ukraine would be in much better shape. We might even imagine that Russia would be suing for peace.

But the Pubs did their thing and, as usual, the world suffers from it.
 
ZenMode said:
That's a different topic. You mentioned that it's apparently an issue for Israel to have these bombs from the US because it allows Israel to wipe Gaza/Palestine off the planet. Do you not think Israel had the fire power to do that before these bombs were delivered?
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No, it's the same damn topic. I can't tell if you are really this stupid or if you just enjoy pretending like you are this stupid.

Biden withheld the bombs in order to specifically demonstrate our position on Israel adopting a hyper-aggressive offensive stance against Palestine that involves mass carnage and destruction.
 
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