Ukraine War | Russia launches (I)CBM (not nuke) at Ukraine?

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I think this is a brilliant move by Biden. He knows Putin won’t escalate it right before his mark takes office. It also sends a signal to Putin that we are punishing him for fucking with us.
 
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Whatever is happening now in Ukraine doesn’t matter for shit.

Trump will hand Ukraine to Putin on Day One or Day Two.

NATO will be neutered by April.
 
President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use a powerful American long-range weapon for limited strikes inside Russia in response to North Korea’s deployment of thousands of troops to aid Moscow’s war effort, according to two senior U.S. officials
 
President Joe Biden has authorized Ukraine to use a powerful American long-range weapon for limited strikes inside Russia in response to North Korea’s deployment of thousands of troops to aid Moscow’s war effort, according to two senior U.S. officials
 
Delayed defenestration?



Vladimir Shklyarov, a world-renowned Russian ballet star, has died after falling from the fifth floor of a building on Saturday.

His death was confirmed by the Mariinsky Theater, a venue in the city of St. Petersburg where Shklyarov was the highest-ranking dancer.

“This is a huge loss for the entire Mariinsky Theater team,” it said.

“He died a natural death. It’s not a crime,” a source in the emergency services told RIA Novosti.

Shklyarov died two days before he was due to undergo complex spinal surgery and had been taking “serious painkillers” for some time, Russian media reported.


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In the days after Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Shklyarov was quoted as speaking out in support of peace.

“I am against the war in Ukraine! I am for the people, for a peaceful sky above our heads!” he was quoted as saying in a Facebook post by Alexei Ratmansky, a Russian-Ukrainian former ballet dancer.

Ratmansky, a former director of Moscow’s Bolshoi Ballet, had been collecting anti-war messages from other figures in the ballet world.
 
Zoo_View said:
Whatever is happening now in Ukraine doesn’t matter for shit.

Trump will hand Ukraine to Putin on Day One or Day Two.

NATO will be neutered by April.
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I generally agree.

However, this gqp congress and entire executive branch is filled with lackeys, unlike the prior ttump admin. Whatever dirt or bribery putin has on Trump isn’t worth nearly as much now that ttump is an imperial president with unfettered access to public coffers. There is next to zero chance a gqp house would impeach him, even if video emerged of ttump getting pegged by a black Haitian trans person while selling nuclear secrets to Iran on speaker phone.

I genuinely don’t know what Putin has on ttump that materially matters, anymore, particularly in an age of closed media ecosystems and a maga cult that literally trusts the word of ttump over their own eyes and ears. The only leverage I see Putin having is personality dominance. Ttump remains the fragile ego he’s been since childhood - maybe Putin simply has “you’re my punk, and you’ll like it” leverage.

On the flip, with ttump having no risk to self, he may actually try to put on his big boy pants with respect to Putin - sociopathic narcissists are effectively incapable of maintaining status quo relationships.
 
altmin said:
Delayed defenestration?



Vladimir Shklyarov, a world-renowned Russian ballet star, has died after falling from the fifth floor of a building on Saturday.

His death was confirmed by the Mariinsky Theater, a venue in the city of St. Petersburg where Shklyarov was the highest-ranking dancer.

“This is a huge loss for the entire Mariinsky Theater team,” it said.

“He died a natural death. It’s not a crime,” a source in the emergency services told RIA Novosti.

Shklyarov died two days before he was due to undergo complex spinal surgery and had been taking “serious painkillers” for some time, Russian media reported.


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In the days after Russia launched its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, Shklyarov was quoted as speaking out in support of peace.

“I am against the war in Ukraine! I am for the people, for a peaceful sky above our heads!” he was quoted as saying in a Facebook post by Alexei Ratmansky, a Russian-Ukrainian former ballet dancer.

Ratmansky, a former director of Moscow’s Bolshoi Ballet, had been collecting anti-war messages from other figures in the ballet world.
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So he died a natural death after falling from the fifth floor of a building.
 


Lmao. Russia is so desperate to make the rest of the world think they will actually use nuclear weapons and nobody is buying it.

My biggest policy disagreement with the Biden administration has been the refusal until now to allow Ukraine to strike into Russia with U.S.-provided missiles. Russia never has and never will have the balls to use nuclear weapons- tactical or otherwise- and we should have been calling their weak ass bluff a long time ago. I hope Ukraine spends the next two months raining down unholy hell onto Russians so that they get a little taste of what the last three years have been like in Ukraine.
 
CFordUNC said:
Russia never has and never will have the balls to use nuclear weapons- tactical or otherwise-
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What if you're wrong about that? That's the problem with calling a bluff.

There's a reason why petty dictators like to present themselves as crazy. Ahmedinjiad in Iran looked to be a fucking nut. Kim Jong Un shot his own uncle with an anti-aircraft gun to prove to everyone that he DGAF about everything. And Putin, of course, has come across as deranged during this war.

It's called strategic irrationality. Well, I call it that when I used to teach it (Carl Icahn has made billions of dollars by being strategically irrational). But the problem is that it might not be strategic. Do we know that KJU isn't actually a nutcase? Do we know that Putin hasn't developed a dangerous megalomania from being in control for two decades.

This shit is complicated. I think we would be better off not having an opinion about whether Biden should have allowed Ukraine to fire into Russia. We have only the tip of the tip of the iceberg's worth of relevant information.
 
superrific said:
What if you're wrong about that? That's the problem with calling a bluff.

There's a reason why petty dictators like to present themselves as crazy. Ahmedinjiad in Iran looked to be a fucking nut. Kim Jong Un shot his own uncle with an anti-aircraft gun to prove to everyone that he DGAF about everything. And Putin, of course, has come across as deranged during this war.

It's called strategic irrationality. Well, I call it that when I used to teach it (Carl Icahn has made billions of dollars by being strategically irrational). But the problem is that it might not be strategic. Do we know that KJU isn't actually a nutcase? Do we know that Putin hasn't developed a dangerous megalomania from being in control for two decades.

This shit is complicated. I think we would be better off not having an opinion about whether Biden should have allowed Ukraine to fire into Russia. We have only the tip of the tip of the iceberg's worth of relevant information.
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Totally fair invalid points, all, and definitely good food for thought for me! Appreciate you, super.

I guess I am projecting my rationality onto Putin. I just figured that someone like him, the wealthiest person in the universe, has so incredibly much to lose by starting an actual nuclear exchange.
 
CFordUNC said:
I guess I am projecting my rationality onto Putin. I just figured that someone like him, the wealthiest person in the universe, has so incredibly much to lose by starting an actual nuclear exchange.
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He does. It's a question of risk tolerance. How much risk of a thermonuclear war that might kill us all are you willing to accept? 1%? 0.1%?

And remember: Biden has to make the decision for everyone. Not just America. The whole world could potentially suffer horrible, horrible consequences. And they don't get any input. Imagine being a person living in India and reading about Russia and the US escalating threats. You'd probably be really pissed that your existence was in the hands of an old guy and a psychopath.

So I think it's the right thing to do to minimize that risk. The future of the species really shouldn't in our hands. We shouldn't be making that decision. It's not our right.
 
lawtig02 said:
You have just locked down the rights to the title for Trump's dispositive biography. Copyright it now.
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LOL. Pretty sure Cortes had that one locked up. The textbook case of strategic irrationality was burning the ships before fighting the Aztecs. It's a different sort of strategy but it's basically the same idea.
 
superrific said:
He does. It's a question of risk tolerance. How much risk of a thermonuclear war that might kill us all are you willing to accept? 1%? 0.1%?

And remember: Biden has to make the decision for everyone. Not just America. The whole world could potentially suffer horrible, horrible consequences. And they don't get any input. Imagine being a person living in India and reading about Russia and the US escalating threats. You'd probably be really pissed that your existence was in the hands of an old guy and a psychopath.

So I think it's the right thing to do to minimize that risk. The future of the species really shouldn't in our hands. We shouldn't be making that decision. It's not our right.
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Great points. Looks like I am still retaining some of my old hawkishness from my GOP days, although I guess to be fair the GOP isn’t about hawkishness anymore as much as it is about surrendering to foreign fascists.
 
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