UNC Football Catch-all | Bill Belichick Era underway

[nycfan]

Sorry, I was trying to make a joke about Maine's situational love for Duke and not Mrs. Flagg's appearance, but my apologies if that went awry!

Sorry, got my resting bitch face on today, I guess.

 

[CFordUNC]

My issue with this whole ordeal isn't with Jordan Hudson. Not one bit, in fact. My problem is 100% with Bill Belichick.

I don't care whether Hudson is a gold digger or clout chaser or celebrity chaser or if she's madly in love. Sincerely good for her either way, and I wish her well. I also don't care that there is a five decade delta between the two of them. It might be cringey and it might be weird, but it ultimately isn't my business. Love who you love, date who you wanna date, IMO.

I place 100% of the blame on Belichick for, apparently, being completely full of shit on being Mr. "Hard ass, consumed fully by football, no nonsense, eliminate distractions at all costs, keep the main thing the main thing always." There isn't a snowball's chances in the most superficial depths of hell that this would have happened to 2000-2023 New England Patriots Bill Belichick. He wouldn't even let the greatest QB of all time- the guy more singularly responsible for Belichick's own career success than even Belichick himself- bring his trainer in the Pats facility.

We always used to say of Mack Brown's program, "you get exactly what you tolerate." Well, Bill is getting exactly what he is allowing and tolerating. It is completely on him 100%, not on Jordon Hudson.

 

[superrific]

its obnoxious when people flog young women about smiling more but when you're a public figure it will definitely help your image.

Absolutely. Especially if

Setting aside the entire football saga, and not to derail the thread, but it is clearly not well understood (or understood and intended) how tiresome it is for women to be critiqued for “resting bitch face” and not smiling enough. I mean fucking look at Belichick’ resting bulldog face. But that’s manly, I guess. Way too many men have what I’ll charitably call resting leer face.

Years ago, a partner of mine called to express his deeply felt disgrace that our shared client had cursed extensively in a meeting I was attending. He had never heard this client speak that way around a woman and couldn’t believe the client would speak that way with me present. I told him I appreciated the consideration but (a) nothing I haven’t heard before and (b) much better for me that my client think of me a his lawyer around whom he in comfortable cursing at length than as a woman.

So it’s a multi-edged sword. Smile to be aesthetically pleasing, to “light up a room”, to put others at ease. Don’t smile too much or you seem frivolous or stupid. Don’t smile enough and you’re a bitch.

Everyone assumes that Belichick is a man among men football coach but also a victim of his own age and libido, great enough to be the best football coach ever by weak enough to be taken advantage of by a young gold digger.

And she would’ve gotten away with it, too, if only she would just smile a little more often.

To be clear, I'm not offering any general criticism of RBF. I'm not even criticizing Jordon for it because I don't know her and have no idea what she's like in private. i also agree that "smile more" is usually more a form of condescension and rationalization than actual advice.

In this specific case, I'm saying that the RBF is doing her no favors at all, specific to this limited circumstance:

1. She's a very young woman whose standing right now (in Chapel Hill at least) is due to her romance with the old HC. "Young woman lands older man, and immediately sets about changing everything" is a very old story. (I've seen it many a time in corporate law, btw). So people are going to be suspicious; I think that's more or less natural and isn't really gendered. And in that case, it's not good if one's natural facial expression makes one look even more scheming or manipulative.

2. I'm not saying smile more. I'm saying, "smile at least a little bit" and I think that's good advice for anyone, regardless of gender.

3. I wouldn't say this if she was a coach. I certainly wouldn't if she was a coach and it was during a game. But we're seeing her in scenarios where she should be smiling. Like the red carpet photos that are on the internet. Or, for that matter, during 60 Minutes. Again, I don't think "smile a little" is gendered.

4. My point in raising the RBF was actually trying to be generous to her. I think it's fair to say that a lot of people are unhappy with her. Maybe that's because she's actually a manipulative bitch. I don't know that. I'm wondering if she comes across that way in part because of her facial expressions, and inferring bitchiness from bitch face is not justified. Common, though -- common enough to affect perception, I think.

Obviously it's all speculation, really. But I'm not a person who usually notices smiles or people smiling, so for me to notice it is something.

 

[superrific]

Everyone assumes that Belichick is a man among men football coach but also a victim of his own age and libido, great enough to be the best football coach ever by weak enough to be taken advantage of by a young gold digger.

To be clear, I don't think of BB as a victim. He's making his own choices. If he's being manipulated, it's because he's letting it happen.

At the same time, it really doesn't help anyone that she looks manipulative.

 

[Geisterfahrer]

Setting aside the entire football saga, and not to derail the thread, but it is clearly not well understood (or understood and intended) how tiresome it is for women to be critiqued for “resting bitch face” and not smiling enough. I mean fucking look at Belichick’ resting bulldog face. But that’s manly, I guess. Way too many men have what I’ll charitably call resting leer face.

Years ago, a partner of mine called to express his deeply felt disgrace that our shared client had cursed extensively in a meeting I was attending. He had never heard this client speak that way around a woman and couldn’t believe the client would speak that way with me present. I told him I appreciated the consideration but (a) nothing I haven’t heard before and (b) much better for me that my client think of me a his lawyer around whom he in comfortable cursing at length than as a woman.

So it’s a multi-edged sword. Smile to be aesthetically pleasing, to “light up a room”, to put others at ease. Don’t smile too much or you seem frivolous or stupid. Don’t smile enough and you’re a bitch.

Everyone assumes that Belichick is a man among men football coach but also a victim of his own age and libido, great enough to be the best football coach ever by weak enough to be taken advantage of by a young gold digger.

And she would’ve gotten away with it, too, if only she would just smile a little more often.

Now that’s a proper fucking poast.

 

[Calheel]

And John Oliver tonight. He's going for the comedy equivalent of the full Ginsburg.

And Bill Maher tonight. So, SNL, John Oliver, Bill Maher in a week, and I’m pretty sure Kimmel and Seth and Colbert probably had a joke, too.

 

[SmilingJack]

Now that’s a proper fucking poast.

nycfan and my daughter are very nicely trying to clue us men on what they deal with on an hourly basis while we men just assume they are "just like us" yet new research and evidence based studies show just how effed up the predominant paradigm is. On my daughter's recommendation I will be starting this book tomorrow:
Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men Google Search
It's amazing how much gender and data or lack there of are tied together.

 

[superrific]

True or false: during the question of how did they meet, if Jordon had been smiling, tilted her head a little and said, "no", the reaction in the media (and among the fan base) would be considerably muted?

 

[ZZLPHeels]

The fact that in the age of Trump and multiple wars in the ME and Europe the media is absolutely fixated on a relationship between two consenting adults is telling. This is a non-story. Part of me thinks that the rest of the ACC and SEC are absolutely terrified about what Bill can build here and are doing everything in their power to push this "story".

 

[StrangePackage]

The fact that in the age of Trump and multiple wars in the ME and Europe the media is absolutely fixated on a relationship between two consenting adults is telling. This is a non-story. Part of me thinks that the rest of the ACC and SEC are absolutely terrified about what Bill can build here and are doing everything in their power to push this "story".

It's just misogyny.

 

[gregh1]

At the same time, it really doesn't help anyone that she looks manipulative.

I don't get this at all. Of all the photos I've seen I haven't thought once about a lack of smile.
What's a "manipulative" look? I'm trying to picture the hot, young, brunette version of Dr Evil, but I'm can't picture that.

Are you only viewing photos on TMZ or something tabloid?

 

[gregh1]

True or false: during the question of how did they meet, if Jordon had been smiling, tilted her head a little and said, "no", the reaction in the media (and among the fan base) would be considerably muted?

No, because the folks obsessed with this matter are sexist. They were already leaning toward freaked-out over the emails cc'ing, hard knocks, and some spring game microphone-fixing. They're assuming she's the master-mind and that 400-page-bible-Bill is now feeble and brainwashed, based only on her youth and how she dresses. The only thing that would change their perception is her age or simply being a man.

 

[gregh1]

My issue with this whole ordeal isn't with Jordan Hudson. Not one bit, in fact. My problem is 100% with Bill Belichick.

I don't care whether Hudson is a gold digger or clout chaser or celebrity chaser or if she's madly in love. Sincerely good for her either way, and I wish her well. I also don't care that there is a five decade delta between the two of them. It might be cringey and it might be weird, but it ultimately isn't my business. Love who you love, date who you wanna date, IMO.

I place 100% of the blame on Belichick for, apparently, being completely full of shit on being Mr. "Hard ass, consumed fully by football, no nonsense, eliminate distractions at all costs, keep the main thing the main thing always." There isn't a snowball's chances in the most superficial depths of hell that this would have happened to 2000-2023 New England Patriots Bill Belichick. He wouldn't even let the greatest QB of all time- the guy more singularly responsible for Belichick's own career success than even Belichick himself- bring his trainer in the Pats facility.

We always used to say of Mack Brown's program, "you get exactly what you tolerate." Well, Bill is getting exactly what he is allowing and tolerating. It is completely on him 100%, not on Jordon Hudson.

Some blame should be put on the people who love and consume sensationalized, tabloid-esque drama.

 

[Kraftyheel89]

The important thing is, the FINALS of the Miss Maine Pageant start at high noon today.

Sorry. Happy Mother's Day nyc and all the amazing mothers out there! This does not include my ex.

 

[Mulberry Heel]

Some blame should be put on the people who love and consume sensationalized, tabloid-esque drama.

We've become a reality-show addicted nation that watches fake, often scripted "reality" crap on television that consistently plays to the lowest common denominator of humanity, elects reality-show stars as president and makes scandal-ridden, shallow celebrities, TV news talking heads, and social media influencers cabinet secretaries and federal department heads, and watches "news" networks that focus on the trivial and superficial at the expense of real news. It really shouldn't be all that surprising that we're in the mess we're in right now.

 

[akillesheel]

The fact that in the age of Trump and multiple wars in the ME and Europe the media is absolutely fixated on a relationship between two consenting adults is telling. This is a non-story. Part of me thinks that the rest of the ACC and SEC are absolutely terrified about what Bill can build here and are doing everything in their power to push this "story".

there is no shortage of coverage of Trump, the Middle East, the brewing tension between India and Pakistan, or European conflicts, and the "media" that is covering BB and Jordon is almost unilaterally not the media you go to for the former. just an absurd thing to say; i expect this from the IC football boards, not here. the acc/sec conspiracy is just icing.

 

[superrific]

I don't get this at all. Of all the photos I've seen I haven't thought once about a lack of smile.
What's a "manipulative" look? I'm trying to picture the hot, young, brunette version of Dr Evil, but I'm can't picture that.

Are you only viewing photos on TMZ or something tabloid?

I just searched her on google images.

 

[superrific]

No, because the folks obsessed with this matter are sexist.

As are the viewers at Fox News. Relatedly, Fox News gives those sexists blond bimbos who smile excessively. I'm not blaming anyone for anything in simply observing that the young woman in question here seems untrained in PR.

 

[dukeman92]

My issue with this whole ordeal isn't with Jordan Hudson. Not one bit, in fact. My problem is 100% with Bill Belichick.

I don't care whether Hudson is a gold digger or clout chaser or celebrity chaser or if she's madly in love. Sincerely good for her either way, and I wish her well. I also don't care that there is a five decade delta between the two of them. It might be cringey and it might be weird, but it ultimately isn't my business. Love who you love, date who you wanna date, IMO.

I place 100% of the blame on Belichick for, apparently, being completely full of shit on being Mr. "Hard ass, consumed fully by football, no nonsense, eliminate distractions at all costs, keep the main thing the main thing always." There isn't a snowball's chances in the most superficial depths of hell that this would have happened to 2000-2023 New England Patriots Bill Belichick. He wouldn't even let the greatest QB of all time- the guy more singularly responsible for Belichick's own career success than even Belichick himself- bring his trainer in the Pats facility.

We always used to say of Mack Brown's program, "you get exactly what you tolerate." Well, Bill is getting exactly what he is allowing and tolerating. It is completely on him 100%, not on Jordon Hudson.

I had a discussion with one of my Tar Heel buddies after Belichick was hired. He was, understandably, over the moon excited for all the reasons some of you all were. I cautioned that at this stage of his life we probably weren't going to see the hard ass side of BB that he had become known for, and I used the later portion of the Mike Krzyzewski years as an example. (Mike wasn't nearly the authoritarian he was in the late 80s & early 90s) but even I couldn't imagine how much of a shit show this has turned into... and the only one who can do ANYTHING about this is BB. The buck stops with him.

 

[gregh1]

I just searched her on google images.

My google results are smiley. The third pic is a non-smile (and it is from a hit piece with hijack in the title), but the rest she's smiling, though not always showing teeth, and a few are like a smirk. I wouldn't be surprised if images search in google is personalized though based on other browsing history, thus could be different.

For grins and giggles you should hit "tools" under the search bar, then specify a custom range of dates prior to April 1st. I'm wondering if non-smiley photos have been posted or tagged/viewed more frequently since then.