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UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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donbosco said:
As for tending bar and backpacking...I often worked full-time or close to it tending during school. I managed the bar in a couple of places along the way too. The backpacking was also mixed in there...one of the things that irritated my advisors the most was that I "dropped out" a few times and was gone for 6 months to a year and spent the time traveling as well as doing archival research.
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I find this fascinating and would love to hear more about it.

How long did it take you to get your PhD once you were ABD?

I ask because I'm a bit younger than you (undergrad c/o of 1999) and my friends roughly my age who went on to do PhDs typically had a limit for how long they could take to finish once ABD (and their PhD coursework before that was obviously much more structured).
 
donbosco said:
We see very much eye-to-eye Snoop. Reading what you have written tends to lead me to some deep thinking about the possibility that a man like Hubert Davis might be exactly what we need to make the transitions that you outline. I admit that I was originally a Wes Miller guy and I still believe that he'd be a great choice to lead the program. Indeed, a young man like Marcus Paige is also cut from the cloth that we ought to sew our Way Forward from.
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Despite what I've said on this thread, I really like Hubert as a person and as a Tar Heel (totally from a distance, though, as I've never met him).

I have absolutely no doubt he can carry on the off-the-court portions of The Carolina Way and would do so as well as anyone. My concerns with Hubert have to do with the competitiveness of the team. Unfortunately, we've been thoroughly mediocre for far too much of Hubert's tenure as HC.

I would suggest that part of The Carolina Way is also excellence on the court. It was Dean kicking tail with players who pointed to the passer after baskets, saying an encouraging word to the other coach in the post-game line, and then having his players help little old ladies across the street after the game before doing finishing their homework. I really, really hope we can find a modern version of this going forward.
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
Let's say Coach Davis does leave - who are some possible replacement candidates - Wes Miller? Jay Wright?
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Jay didn't want the job last time and I doubt he would now

I like Wes and think he's a solid coach but he's barely proven more than Hubert as one, if that's supposed to be important criteria

There's a lot of interesting candidates in the NBA ranks (not necessarily head coaches) that could qualify
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
Let's say Coach Davis does leave - who are some possible replacement candidates - Wes Miller? Jay Wright?
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If we elect to stay "in the family", then Wes is the clear next coach. (I hope we don't do that.) He's also the likely "worst case backup" if we were to strike out on other options.

My hunch is that for the first time in a long, long (long, long, long) time, we'll have to run a real search. I don't know that there's necessarily anyone who would be the assumed next coach and instead we will have to simply go out on the market and make the best hire we can.
 
SnoopRob said:
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There it is, straight from Merriam-Webster.

It is literally hiring your family. There’s nothing about it being ethical/unethical.

Of course, I was using it a bit figuratively as we all know Roy & Hubert aren’t related.

You just told me to look up a word because I didn’t know the meaning while making it clear you don’t know it.

I can’t even say anything sarcastic at this point, you just made yourself look dumber than anything I could have done.
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Do you know what favoritism means? Because once again there’s a word you don’t know, and it’s exposing either your total ignorance or your tap-dancing around your bullshit claim of Roy hiring HD undeservedly and not on merit.

Nepotism and favoritism and partiality ALL have not only the definition, but also the connotation (look that one up too) of something that is done unethically or unjustly to favor one at the detriment of another.

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“Favoritism”
“Undue attachment”
“Rather than of merit or their abilities”
“Because of their relationship”

Here’s Cambridge for you too:

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Literally any example sentence using the term is in the context of something unethical and corrupt and lacking integrity. If you can’t make the tiny step to see how what you claimed about Roy is that he was unethical, AND that HD was unqualified and lacking merit, then you’re even worse off than I thought, in intelligence and in ethical judgment.
 
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duluoz said:
Do you know what favoritism means? Because once again there’s a word you don’t know, and it’s exposing either your total ignorance or your tap-dancing around your bullshit claim of Roy hiring HD undeservedly and not on merit.

Nepotism and favoritism and partiality ALL have not only the definition, but also the connotation (look that one up too) of something that is done unethically or unjustly to favor one at the detriment of another.

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“Favoritism”
“Undue attachment”
“Rather than of merit or their abilities”
“Because of their relationship”

If you can’t make the tiny step to see how what you claimed about Roy is that he was unethical, and HD unqualified, then you’re even worse off than I thought, in intelligence and in ethical judgment.
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Good grief, you're clearly too stupid to have this discussion with.

I've said that HD got the job despite not having the qualifications that should have been in place for Carolina Basketball. And that he got the role largely because of Roy's preference for him. That's exactly why I used the term "nepo hire". Although I would say that Hubert was "underqualified" rather than "unqualified"; Hubert has some qualifications that were relevant to the position, just not the ones that should have been considered essential

The place I've disagreed with you is that doesn't inherently call into question Roy's ethics/character. One can truly believe that such a hire is the best path forward while also ignoring reasonable objective qualifications. In short, nepotism can be well-intentioned while also being favoritism. Which is what I would say happened in this case.
 
It probably is too bad that Mickey Popovich is a no-basketball-playing recluse though.

:sneaky:
 
Heelsandeers said:
Jay didn't want the job last time and I doubt he would now

I like Wes and think he's a solid coach but he's barely proven more than Hubert as one, if that's supposed to be important criteria

There's a lot of interesting candidates in the NBA ranks (not necessarily head coaches) that could qualify
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How do we know Jay didn't want it? HD was named by Roy when Roy let Bubba know. But, I don't think he'd want the job, nor do I think he'd be the best choice, but I'd take him.

I just hope they do a real search, and end this "in the family" stuff.
 
GoHeelsweeeehoooo said:
Let's say Coach Davis does leave - who are some possible replacement candidates - Wes Miller? Jay Wright?
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Not that I think it could mirror a Lee Fowler search, but I doubt the UNC brand has the pull it once did. The ACC stinks and is poor compared to the SEC/B1G. Paying players has evened the field a lot, too. Coaches can win big at a lot more places than they could 10-20 years ago.

If we move from Hubert after this season:

1) Nate Oates - $18mil buyout. Drops to $10mil in 3/2026. That buyout is untenable, most likely, unless this era limps along another couple of years.
2) Billy Donovan - needs to get fired in Chicago, first.
3) Scott Drew - how many dollars for the lord to tell him he belongs in Chapel Hill?
4) Jay Wright - offer him a setup similar to BB - GM, recruiters, etc. None of the ancillary BS. Just coach.
5) TJ Otzelberger - we could do a lot worse.
6) Fred Hoiberg - underrated, I think. Midwest guy, but his alma mater's otherwise occupied for the foreseeable future - see #5 above. Won at ISU and has turned Nebraska around. NBA pedigree. Long family lineage in coaching. I like him a lot, actually.
7) Shaka - great at VCU and Marquette. Struggled at Texas. Only one Sweet 16 since that 2011 Final Four run...
8) Wes - won big at UNCG. Turning Cincy around as we speak. Would be great if he could have a breakthrough season up there. Could make this much, much clearer.
9) Up-and-coming NBA asst coaches ??

Am I leaving anybody out?

- Ben McCollum? Guy's won 81% of his games over 16 seasons.
- Luke Murray - UConn asst and Bill Murray's kid. Young. Job description is Hurley's "offensive coordinator". They've looked stellar on that side of the ball for years.

And I think you'd have to give due diligence to Chris Beard and Todd Golden (yes, I know...). And Will Wade, if things really go sideways - but, the guy got in trouble for doing what's now legal.

I really, really wish Hubert would work out, but I just don't see it...
 
In today's world of NIL and portal free agency, the next coach (and GM) will have to be able to navigate the professional game that college basketball has become. UNC has not navigated that path too well yet. Davis may have been fine under the previous amateur system but he appears to be one-for-the-portal (Manek). Ingram & Ryan were serviceable but not the impact player(s) we see in many other top-tier programs of the new professional era of college basketball.
 
UNCRx85 said:
Not that I think it could mirror a Lee Fowler search, but I doubt the UNC brand has the pull it once did. The ACC stinks and is poor compared to the SEC/B1G. Paying players has evened the field a lot, too. Coaches can win big at a lot more places than they could 10-20 years ago.

If we move from Hubert after this season:

1) Nate Oates - $18mil buyout. Drops to $10mil in 3/2026. That buyout is untenable, most likely, unless this era limps along another couple of years.
2) Billy Donovan - needs to get fired in Chicago, first.
3) Scott Drew - how many dollars for the lord to tell him he belongs in Chapel Hill?
4) Jay Wright - offer him a setup similar to BB - GM, recruiters, etc. None of the ancillary BS. Just coach.
5) TJ Otzelberger - we could do a lot worse.
6) Fred Hoiberg - underrated, I think. Midwest guy, but his alma mater's otherwise occupied for the foreseeable future - see #5 above. Won at ISU and has turned Nebraska around. NBA pedigree. Long family lineage in coaching. I like him a lot, actually.
7) Shaka - great at VCU and Marquette. Struggled at Texas. Only one Sweet 16 since that 2011 Final Four run...
8) Wes - won big at UNCG. Turning Cincy around as we speak. Would be great if he could have a breakthrough season up there. Could make this much, much clearer.
9) Up-and-coming NBA asst coaches ??

Am I leaving anybody out?

- Ben McCollum? Guy's won 81% of his games over 16 seasons.
- Luke Murray - UConn asst and Bill Murray's kid. Young. Job description is Hurley's "offensive coordinator". They've looked stellar on that side of the ball for years.

And I think you'd have to give due diligence to Chris Beard and Todd Golden (yes, I know...). And Will Wade, if things really go sideways - but, the guy got in trouble for doing what's now legal.

I really, really wish Hubert would work out, but I just don't see it...
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I really wanted UNC to go after Oats when Roy retired. I think Wright could be persuaded to come out of retirement if he has the same deal as Belichick. I also like Hoiberg. And Wes Miller looks like he is doing pretty good at Cincy this year.
 
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Heelsandeers said:
That's what was reported at the time, and Jay has basically said as much since he retired
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I know that was a story that was being floated around by posters on IC, but given the information from Roy, HD, and Bubba that's come out since the hire, I don't think it was accurate. Who reported it? I have not seen Jay Wright say that he was offered the job or even in talks with UNC. (Same with Mark Few - also a story that was floated around IC).
 
UNCRx85 said:
Lucky for you, we can't afford him.
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Ha. Probably correct with Bama footing the bill. That said, I know someone who is close friends with Oates and I'll just say that this person isn't the most ethical I've been around. Add in that to what's publicly known about the guy and I'm out on him.
 
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