UNC ONLY BASKETBALL 2024-25 SEASON

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I’ve never checked out on a season and I’m trying hard not to do so now.

But this team makes it tough.
2020 was rough lol. I still followed the team but stopped watching most of the games halfway through ACC play. Same with 2023 actually. The preseason hype juxtaposed with how flat the team looked on the court all season made me check out sometime in February.

Pretty close to getting to the same place this season too. I switched over to the game once the Rose Bowl had gotten completely out of hand, watched maybe 5 mins, then switched to something else and checked the score on the ESPN app every once and awhile. Team plays scared and looks totally clueless. Same story every game and it’s just not enjoyable to watch.
 
2020 was rough lol. I still followed the team but stopped watching most of the games halfway through ACC play. Same with 2023 actually. The preseason hype juxtaposed with how flat the team looked on the court all season made me check out sometime in February.

Pretty close to getting to the same place this season too. I switched over to the game once the Rose Bowl had gotten completely out of hand, watched maybe 5 mins, then switched to something else and checked the score on the ESPN app every once and awhile. Team plays scared and looks totally clueless. Same story every game and it’s just not enjoyable to watch.
I’ve never fully checked out for a season, but there have been a few seasons (2002, 2010, 2020, 2023) where it was no longer must-see TV for me. I think I’m finally there now this season.
 
A couple of others have said this before, but I’ve gotten to the point in my life (old) that I simply don’t watch the game live. With streaming and DVR etc. I simply wait until I know it’s going to be a game worth watching. Then I’ll watch it, with the added enjoyment of being able to fast forward through timeouts, halftime, commercials, etc.

I’ll usually check the score on Bleacher Report, which gives good info, live and up to the minute - good stats, play by play, etc.. When the Heels are playing well and seemingly putting forth good effort, I may tune in the game live… or simply wait until the final whistle has blown. Should the Heels win that game, I’ll rewind and watch. If they lose, I won’t bother running it back.

Call me fairweather. Yesterday I enjoyed watching the Oregon and Ohio State marching bands during their halftime. As milquetoast as that sounds, it was more enjoyable.

ETA: StoneCold just nailed it.
 
RJ and Elliott both really struggle in containing dribble penetration. That forces the help to come which then creates all sorts of problems on the weak side (and our bigs are not great at holding space in the help). RJ is just an undersized guard who can be bullied to the basket...it's a huge problem when he plays next to Cadeau because he has to take on the larger guard.
 
A couple of others have said this before, but I’ve gotten to the point in my life (old) that I simply don’t watch the game live. With streaming and DVR etc. I simply wait until I know it’s going to be a game worth watching. Then I’ll watch it, with the added enjoyment of being able to fast forward through timeouts, halftime, commercials, etc.

I’ll usually check the score on Bleacher Report, which gives good info, live and up to the minute - good stats, play by play, etc.. When the Heels are playing well and seemingly putting forth good effort, I may tune in the game live… or simply wait until the final whistle has blown. Should the Heels win that game, I’ll rewind and watch. If they lose, I won’t bother running it back.

Call me fairweather. Yesterday I enjoyed watching the Oregon and Ohio State marching bands during their halftime. As milquetoast as that sounds, it was more enjoyable.

ETA: StoneCold just nailed it.
I've been doing this for years.

It's also because of time, it shouldn't take over 120 minutes to watch a 40 minute game.

But with the networks inability to schedule i often miss the first few minutes of a game.
 
In a nutshell:
Our front court is bad. They struggle to finish on offense and to protect the rim on defense. They struggle to rebound. Lubin is not tall enough, Washington is not strong enough, and Withers is constantly lost. These are guys who ideally would be the 8th man, getting less than 10 minutes per game.

Several of our guards, including RJ, are struggling to make shots. Without quality bigs, we really need them to hit their outside shots, but at the same time, the lack of quality bigs likely contributes to their shooting woes.

Our guards are small. While small guards can be great players, being small has disadvantages in a game where most people on the court, including some of the shortest people on the court, are tall. Having one small player in the lineup may not be much of a liability, but having 2-3 on the court at the same time often is.

We have poor ball movement, poor movement without the ball, too much dribbling, and a lot of one-on-one play. That type of offense is rarely going to catch a defense off-balance.

We often don’t run an offense until the final seconds of the shot clock. This causes us to force things, limits opportunities, allows the defense to rest, and, again, keeps us from catching the defense off-balance.

Our switching on defense allows the opponent to create and exploit mismatches, particularly when we have several small guards in our lineup.

Other than that, we look great.
 
In a nutshell:
Our front court is bad. They struggle to finish on offense and to protect the rim on defense. They struggle to rebound. Lubin is not tall enough, Washington is not strong enough, and Withers is constantly lost. These are guys who ideally would be the 8th man, getting less than 10 minutes per game.

Several of our guards, including RJ, are struggling to make shots. Without quality bigs, we really need them to hit their outside shots, but at the same time, the lack of quality bigs likely contributes to their shooting woes.

Our guards are small. While small guards can be great players, being small has disadvantages in a game where most people on the court, including some of the shortest people on the court, are tall. Having one small player in the lineup may not be much of a liability, but having 2-3 on the court at the same time often is.

We have poor ball movement, poor movement without the ball, too much dribbling, and a lot of one-on-one play. That type of offense is rarely going to catch a defense off-balance.

We often don’t run an offense until the final seconds of the shot clock. This causes us to force things, limits opportunities, allows the defense to rest, and, again, keeps us from catching the defense off-balance.

Our switching on defense allows the opponent to create and exploit mismatches, particularly when we have several small guards in our lineup.

Other than that, we look great.
The bigs are who they are. Can't do anything about that. The defense isn't good enough to get a lot of turnovers and transition baskets. That is really their best offense, though. I don't understand the switching on defense when it isn't working. That's coaching. I don't understand the lack of ball movement, lack of screens, lack of cuts, lack of moving without the ball to create good shots. Everything is either a 3 or 1 on 1 to the basket off the dribble. That's coaching, too.
 
In a nutshell:
Our front court is bad. They struggle to finish on offense and to protect the rim on defense. They struggle to rebound. Lubin is not tall enough, Washington is not strong enough, and Withers is constantly lost. These are guys who ideally would be the 8th man, getting less than 10 minutes per game.

Several of our guards, including RJ, are struggling to make shots. Without quality bigs, we really need them to hit their outside shots, but at the same time, the lack of quality bigs likely contributes to their shooting woes.

Our guards are small. While small guards can be great players, being small has disadvantages in a game where most people on the court, including some of the shortest people on the court, are tall. Having one small player in the lineup may not be much of a liability, but having 2-3 on the court at the same time often is.

We have poor ball movement, poor movement without the ball, too much dribbling, and a lot of one-on-one play. That type of offense is rarely going to catch a defense off-balance.

We often don’t run an offense until the final seconds of the shot clock. This causes us to force things, limits opportunities, allows the defense to rest, and, again, keeps us from catching the defense off-balance.

Our switching on defense allows the opponent to create and exploit mismatches, particularly when we have several small guards in our lineup.

Other than that, we look great.
The ball sticks in RJ's hands and everyone watches him. He does not pass enough and is struggling to make shots this year:


Part of that is due to the fact that we do not appear to run offense sets that often but rather seem to be going with the NBA drive and kick offense. As you mentioned we do not have the guard size for this and, given our weak front court, we lose the rebound battle at key moments.

I am disappointed in HD's coaching moves so far this year but he has shown in the past that it sometimes takes him time during the season to figure things out.

If we can't play defense straight up then heck I'd rather press and run all game.
 
The ball sticks in RJ's hands and everyone watches him. He does not pass enough and is struggling to make shots this year:


Part of that is due to the fact that we do not appear to run offense sets that often but rather seem to be going with the NBA drive and kick offense. As you mentioned we do not have the guard size for this and, given our weak front court, we lose the rebound battle at key moments.

I am disappointed in HD's coaching moves so far this year but he has shown in the past that it sometimes takes him time during the season to figure things out.

If we can't play defense straight up then heck I'd rather press and run all game.
But that seems to have been the same offense and defense since Hubert has been the head coach. I don't see him making any changes and adjustments to the offense and defense.
 
I honestly feel like Hubert's first team catching fire at the end of the season and almost winning the championship is buying him more time and credibility as a coach than would otherwise be warranted. Same with ending K's reign twice. But that team lost at home to Pitt at the beginning of February, which, if I recall, was Carolina's worst loss in like 14 years.

He's clearly in over his head in terms of roster construction, pregame strategy, and in-game management/adjustments. I wasn't a fan of his hiring then, and nothing that has happened during his tenure will ever change my mind. He is who he is at this point. But, I think he is going to get another year regardless of how the next three months play out, which is incredibly unfortunate.
 
Just a matter of time. The HD experiment will be coming to an end shortly. I have a huge problem with people not earning a position so it cant come quick enough.
What makes you think he didn’t earn the position?

I agree that his days are probably numbered, just wondering what rationale you give that he didn’t earn Roy’s endorsement.
 
What makes you think he didn’t earn the position?

I agree that his days are probably numbered, just wondering what rationale you give that he didn’t earn Roy’s endorsement.
I think his point is that "Roy's endorsement" shouldn't have been the qualifying criterion for the position.

I like HD and I was hoping he would succeed at Carolina once he was hired, but there's no way a coach with no HC experience should ever have been hired as the HC at Carolina.
 
I think his point is that "Roy's endorsement" shouldn't have been the qualifying criterion for the position.

I like HD and I was hoping he would succeed at Carolina once he was hired, but there's no way a coach with no HC experience should ever have been hired as the HC at Carolina.
Maybe, but that’s more of an issue that needs to be taken up with Bubba and Roy. In Roy’s estimation, Hubert assuredly busted his tail and earned the job.
 
Maybe, but that’s more of an issue that needs to be taken up with Bubba and Roy. In Roy’s estimation, Hubert assuredly busted his tail and earned the job.
I agree that it's not Hubert's fault that he was hired. And I wouldn't have expected him to turn down the opportunity when presented to him.

By the reasoning that says that Hubert had "earned" the opportunity to be HC at Carolina, the business owner that hires his son to be the plant manager a day after his son graduates high school has done so because his son has "earned" the position.

He hasn't and neither had Hubert.
 
I know I'm preaching mainly to the choir and I realize this point has been mentioned previously, but at this point, I'm more worried about what this all will mean going forward concerning recruits and portal options. Brady, Ingram and Cormac are the obvious successes. Even though Cormac's shooting took a step back, he was huge asset in regards to leadership and his defensively play. But everyone else -- woof. Pete (forgot his last name) and Cade Tyson apparently got here and forgot how to shoot. We haven't secured any quality bigs. It's all a mess. And I will bet money that Ian, Drake and probably Seth are out the door at the end of the season.

And oh look, Wes has Cincy ranked.

I'm so frustrated. I just want the entire coaching staff, save for Marcus, gone.
 
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Any evaluation of HD needs to consider a number of things that are getting overlooked or downplayed… including that initially he inherited a roster that wasn’t setting the world on fire. Plus if I remember correctly, Kessler (now an NBA rotation player) was transferring even before Roy stepped down. A guy like Dawson Garcia who was only a sophomore (pretty sure?) had family issues. The Caleb Love roller coaster, which derailed the chemistry of a team with high expectations. There was every reason to expect Pete Nance was going to be more than he was. Other guys who were expected to be key players transferring out due to the relaxed portal/covid rules, or key recruits being lost in close recruiting battles…

So while there’s clearly room for improvement for HD and staff, it’s been a very challenging stretch for all programs (but especially for HD in the ways I just mentioned), and there’s no reason for me to believe anyone else would’ve done much better than a run to the title game with coach K’s scalp on the end of it (and without Bacot’s ankle there’s another banner up there), and then the very impressive season last season, despite the early exit.

So all the “see, I knew HD was a bad choice because he never coached before” whiners can eat a dick.

My take is that he’s probably been too proud and too slow to accept the realities of NIL and mastering how things work these days (and have always worked for some programs), and that has cost him new and portal recruits.

And also that he needs surround himself on his staff, and needs to target players who are total dogs — with fire in their eyes and a chip on their shoulders. More in the spirit of his early Knicks teams. I don’t give a shit how many stars they have next to their names. That kind of thing can only be coached so much, so it needs to be identified and more highly valued in the recruitment process.

But if there’s a tailspin the rest of this season and these things don’t come together in a hurry, then it may be a forgone conclusion anyway. But it won’t be because “he was never a head coach before” which is a load of bullshit. This was not some green assistant coach who started in the film room. He highly achieved at every level of basketball, including in the media and as Roy’s right hand man for a national title. He demonstrated a deep understanding of basketball at every level. His resume was unassailable and Roy clearly knew that too.

But the results are mixed, so I’m hoping he can push the right buttons to get things turned around in a hurry. For his sake and everyone’s.
 
I do think if Hubert is gone after next season that Wes Miller will get the

I was stunned when he didn't get the nod the first time. But I feel like so many people are done with the whole automatic Carolina family thing when it comes to basketball. We have to swing big, whoever that is nowadays (Oats, I guess. Hell, at this point, maybe Pat Kelsey. lol)
 
By the reasoning that says that Hubert had "earned" the opportunity to be HC at Carolina, the business owner that hires his son to be the plant manager a day after his son graduates high school has done so because his son has "earned" the position.

He hasn't and neither had Hubert.
I would be embarrassed for having thought something this dumb, much less having typed it and put it on the internet thinking it had value for others to read.

But if you ever meet Hubert, Roy, or even Dean in another life, let’s see you look them in the eyes with a straight face and tell them Hubert was essentially a new HS grad who had done nothing to “earn” the job at daddy’s plant.
 
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