United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

05C40 said:
Disagree. Not enough flair or signature moves for Putin. Poison injection from an umbrella, falling out a window, etc. When Putin kills someone, he wants everyone to known that he ordered the death. This is more like a rival from United Healthcare ordered the hit. The part about the shell casing having words on them really tilts me to this being an inside job.
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Yeah, I guess that makes a much sense as anything. Obviously I'm not well-versed on Putin-ordered assassinations. Inside job, but still a pro hit
 
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Paine said:
We might not ever have mass social movements again. We will see stuff like this increase if people’s frustrations with the political system aren’t addressed. Simple truth.
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I'm telling you boys... it hasn't been all that long ago when we stormed the Bastille and brought out the guillotines...
 
After 16 years with BCBS, my company is switching to UHC effective Jan 1st. There was a bit of grumbling from people who had firsthand experience with UHC from other employers... but this publicity has kicked off a firestorm of unhappy people learning about UHC's rep as the worst of the "deny everything the first time through" insurance companies.
 
He's Not Here said:
Off topic- I haven’t read any of the new books since Vince Flynn passed. Are they an my good?
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I've always liked them, and pretty sure I've gone up to 10 or 11, and I know there are more, but I've just not gotten to them yet. Do know I'm a simpleton when it comes to reading stuff like that. I like a good page turner and don't care about why character A was introduced in such and such a way, and stuff like that. I just enjoy reading the books.
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
After 16 years with BCBS, my company is switching to UHC effective Jan 1st. There was a bit of grumbling from people who had firsthand experience with UHC from other employers... but this publicity has kicked off a firestorm of unhappy people learning about UHC's rep as the worst of the "deny everything the first time through" insurance companies.
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Has management or HR addressed any of the complaints/concerns yet? Guessing there is no going back at this point in the year, but maybe they can switch back next year.
 
NCK9 said:
Has management or HR addressed any of the complaints/concerns yet? Guessing there is no going back at this point in the year, but maybe they can switch back next year.
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I've had almost all of them at some point and I don't think there's a huge difference between UHC and BCBS. Cigna seemed to be a little better, but even it's in the same ballpark. They're all driven by the exact same market dynamics.
 
Paine said:
We might not ever have mass social movements again. We will see stuff like this increase if people’s frustrations with the political system aren’t addressed. Simple truth.
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1. We don't know what this "stuff" is. Are we ruling out the possibility of a pro hit? That doesn't seem warranted.
2. But even if this "stuff" is what the shooter wants us to think it is, I think there's a bit of road to travel from "one disgruntled guy shooting an exec" to Gotham City in the Dark Knight Rises.
 
superrific said:
I'm thinking that the "defend, deny, delay" stuff is an attempt at misdirection.
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Maybe. It is pretty on the nose, but I think Occam would approve, nevertheless.

Maybe the guy is suspected of flipping in his fraud investigation?

That said, if a pro hit, it wouldn’t strike me as “pro” to leave a 10 day trail prior to the murder.
 
Milk and Cookies said:
NYT says the shooter may have arrived in NYC on an interstate bus as many as 10 days ago. That seems like a long time to be hanging out before a hit.
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Yeah it sounds as if he got into town on Sun 11/24, off a Greyhound that originated from Atlanta (but it was unclear if he boarded there or some other station up the route).

I read somewhere he checked into the hostel upon arriving, but then checked out on Fri 11/29, and checked back in on Sat 11/30.
 
Had UHC Medicare Advantage. Gotta say they weren't too bad. But calling customer service would place you talking to someone in SE Asia who could only follow a script. No nuance involved.

BCBS has a better plan and you talk to real live people here in NC.
 
NCK9 said:
Has management or HR addressed any of the complaints/concerns yet? Guessing there is no going back at this point in the year, but maybe they can switch back next year.
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It's a cost saving measure. UHC offered substantially lower rates. No way we are going to switch back without giving them the benefit of the doubt for 2 to 3 years, is my best guess. We probably had to make a multi-year commitment to get this pricing. Our Benefits for US sit outside of HR, they are run by a shared services organization set up by our parent company for the explicit purpose of saving money. Fingers crossed, I guess...
 
Wonder if he had an accomplice staked out in the Marriott lobby? Odd that he was on the phone and that his timing was so good on being in the right position.
 
I’m thinking (as others have said) that this guy made his way out of the country by now. And they still don’t know his name. They’re still investigating DNA and fingerprints and the burner phone, and Eric Adams just a bit ago said:

“We are asking every New Yorker and American to look at the picture [of the suspect] and to assist us," Adams said. "If you know him, if his face looks familiar, please reach out to our law enforcement here or your local law enforcement so we can bring this person to justice."

That doesn’t sound like something you say when you’re closing in on a guy. This guy may not be a pro, but he’s well-funded and at least a decent planner. He seems to have paid for everything in cash (including the hostel), probably had a plane ticket purchased a while ago, and is probably chillin on a beach in Cuba right now.
 
HeelingAg said:
Maybe. It is pretty on the nose, but I think Occam would approve, nevertheless.

Maybe the guy is suspected of flipping in his fraud investigation?

That said, if a pro hit, it wouldn’t strike me as “pro” to leave a 10 day trail prior to the murder.
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If a pro hit and there was no advanced scouting done for him, he absolutely would have spent time in advance observing the target and learning his schedule/ vulnerabilities.
 
HeelingAg said:
That said, if a pro hit, it wouldn’t strike me as “pro” to leave a 10 day trail prior to the murder.
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One assumes that he was spending time scoping out the area and planning the job.

Just a random thought: do we know if the guy caught on camera at the Starbucks is actually the shooter? Is there an image of the shooter's face while doing the shooting? If so, the rest of this post is moot, but if not . . .

I've been suspicious of the Starbucks visit from the beginning. You don't need to go to Starbucks to get a coffee in NYC, not even in Midtown (at least that was true a decade ago). There are plenty of places to get coffee that wouldn't necessarily have high quality security cams, or the ability to search the video footage so quickly. Given the other details that we've seen now, I'm wondering if he was trying to get himself on camera.

So he leaves Starbucks, and he goes . . . somewhere completely different, while a guy he knows dressed similarly does the actual job. The guy on the video leads the manhunt into central park, the real shooter vanishes into Hell's Kitchen, and there's actually nothing tying Starbucks guy to the job. Maybe the cops have information we don't (they probably do!), but based on the evidence we've seen, even if they find the guy, they wouldn't be able to hold him long. There's nothing tying him to the crime other than being dressed the same way as the shooter.

I don't know. Often the Occam's razor explanation for stuff like this is "criminals aren't all that smart, which is why they are criminals," but that does not seem to be the case here. Here is a shooter who managed to get himself in exactly the same spot as the victim in a location that's at least semi-private, with an escape path, a possibly sophisticated weapon and firearms expertise. This doesn't seem to be a guy who would show his face unless he wanted people to see.
 
duluoz said:
I’m thinking (as others have said) that this guy made his way out of the country by now. And they still don’t know his name. They’re still investigating DNA and fingerprints and the burner phone, and Eric Adams just a bit ago said:

“We are asking every New Yorker and American to look at the picture [of the suspect] and to assist us," Adams said. "If you know him, if his face looks familiar, please reach out to our law enforcement here or your local law enforcement so we can bring this person to justice."

That doesn’t sound like something you say when you’re closing in on a guy. This guy may not be a pro, but he’s well-funded and at least a decent planner. He seems to have paid for everything in cash (including the hostel), probably had a plane ticket purchased a while ago, and is probably chillin on a beach in Cuba right now.
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Wasn't he seen on the West Side of Manhattan exiting Central Park on a bike? That's not the right direction for the airport, and he'd be an idiot to try to cross into Jersey to get to Newark.

Which is perhaps another reason to think there's some misdirection. There's a guy leaving Central Park on a bike dressed in similar clothes to the shooter. And with everyone looking on the Upper West Side, shooter gets on the A train and heads straight for JFK. Then, as you said, he's gone.
 
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