United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

StrangePackage said:
His brush with the US healthcare system ruined his life. It's why he chose to do what he did.
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It seems more likely that chronic back issues was the problem. He apparently had some vertebrae fused, which is often a last resort to deal with back pain.
 
ZenMode said:
It seems more likely that chronic back issues was the problem. He apparently had some vertebrae fused, which is often a last resort to deal with back pain.
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Yeah man, definitely no relation between chronic back pain and the U.S. health insurance industry.
 
ZenMode said:
What does that mean? Having US health insurance causes back pain?
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It means that our current system creates more barriers, costs more money, and produces worse healthcare outcomes than any other first-world system. While we don't know this particular medical history, it would surprise absolutely nobody if Mangione was thwarted in obtaining earlier or alternative medical intervention that ended up making surgery inevitable. Hell I've got a friend who just had to have surgery to repair a torn muscle because he couldn't get PT covered by his insurance when it might've helped.
 
StrangePackage said:
It means that our current system creates more barriers, costs more money, and produces worse healthcare outcomes than any other first-world system. While we don't know this particular medical history, it would surprise absolutely nobody if Mangione was thwarted in obtaining earlier or alternative medical intervention that ended up making surgery inevitable. Hell I've got a friend who just had to have surgery to repair a torn muscle because he couldn't get PT covered by his insurance when it might've helped.
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So, again, fusing vertebrae is often a last resort. At this time, there's no reason to believe he wasn't treated in other ways prior to the surgery and he simply has chronic back issues.
 
ZenMode said:
So, again, fusing vertebrae is often a last resort. At this time, there's no reason to believe he wasn't treated in other ways prior to the surgery and he simply has chronic back issues.
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to the contrary, there's no reason to believe that his treatment wasn't mishandled because it so, so often is in this country.

he's young and appears to be pretty physically fit/robust.
 
4thgenheel said:
to the contrary, there's no reason to believe that his treatment wasn't mishandled because it so, so often is in this country.

he's young and appears to be pretty physically fit/robust.
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Chronic back problems plague all types of people, even those who are otherwise healthy. He injured his back while surfing. That likely started the issue that ended with fusing vertebrae.

He may have been frustrated, but the fact that he was taking mushrooms and who knows what other drugs, probably didn't help his mental state.
 
ZenMode said:
Chronic back problems plague all types of people, even those who are otherwise healthy. He injured his back while surfing. That likely started the issue that ended with fusing vertebrae.

He may have been frustrated, but the fact that he was taking mushrooms and who knows what other drugs, probably didn't help his mental state.
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I had mushrooms on my pizza last night.
 
ZenMode said:
Chronic back problems plague all types of people, even those who are otherwise healthy. He injured his back while surfing. That likely started the issue that ended with fusing vertebrae.

He may have been frustrated, but the fact that he was taking mushrooms and who knows what other drugs, probably didn't help his mental state.
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just a massive lmao at you trying to blame mushrooms for this.
 
HeelingAg said:
With conversations of this ilk, I’m always curious how many of the interlocutors have experience with chronic pain.
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My dad just had the same surgery as Mangione after decades of working as an exterminator. Chronic pain is enough to drive anyone insane alone. Add the insurance issues on top and it’s a recipe for disaster.
 
Paine said:
My dad just had the same surgery as Mangione after decades of working as an exterminator. Chronic pain is enough to drive anyone insane alone. Add the insurance issues on top and it’s a recipe for disaster.
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I concur and can empathize, unfortunately.
 
So, if the current suspect had not pulled his mask aside to flirt with the help at the youth hostel, would he have gotten away with it?
 
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