United Healthcare CEO shot and killed

Luigi's fingerprints match the prints lifted from the water bottle and protein bar wrapper near the scene of the murder. Puts him at the scene.
 
I had the surgery he has had, and many times. I have had two fusions and two artificial discs.... all at different levels. and had an incredibly frustrating and anger at the insurance company to pay for the artificial ones, that I am still fighting. was in horrible pain, only those who have had disc issues would understand.

but never had a thought to go murder someone over it, ever. I'm not a psychopath
 
xCainx said:
I had the surgery he has had, and many times. I have had two fusions and two artificial discs.... all at different levels. and had an incredibly frustrating and anger at the insurance company to pay for the artificial ones, that I am still fighting. was in horrible pain, only those who have had disc issues would understand.

but never had a thought to go murder someone over it, ever. I'm not a psychopath
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I’d wager a healthy amount he’s not a psychopath, rather, he was/is hopeless.
 
hedge said:
Narcotics work for back pain, but sometimes the cure is worse than the disease...
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A number of years ago I was involved in a case where a woman suffered a paralysis injury in a car accident, but she still had upper extremity function, i.e. she was a paraplegic. However, she was in severe pain and after a while her doctor's recommended solution was to surgically sever her spinal cord in her neck to make her a quadriplegic. Fortunately, her attorney forced her to go to the Mayo Clinic in the US (she was a foreign national) who diagnosed her with addiction to her opioids. They weened her of the dosage and cut it down to ~10%. The next time I meet with her, she'd gone to get her driver's license that day (and then I paid her $6m to settle her case against my insured). I don't know which made her happier, the money or the driver's license.
 
dcphx said:
A number of years ago I was involved in a case where a woman suffered a paralysis injury in a car accident, but she still had upper extremity function, i.e. she was a paraplegic. However, she was in severe pain and after a while her doctor's recommended solution was to surgically sever her spinal cord in her neck to make her a quadriplegic. Fortunately, her attorney forced her to go to the Mayo Clinic in the US (she was a foreign national) who diagnosed her with addiction to her opioids. They weened her of the dosage and cut it down to ~10%. The next time I meet with her, she'd gone to get her driver's license that day (and then I paid her $6m to settle her case against my insured). I don't know which made her happier, the money or the driver's license.
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That has to be the most fucked up medical rec I've heard, at least on the surface. Lady's pain likely had a significant phantom component to begin with, so there's a significant possibility the procedure not only eliminates arm function, but doesn't help the pain much.
 
Raijin23 said:
Feel I need to preface this by saying I don't believe that the CEO should've died, so I'm not celebrating it.

However, Vin Gupta has lost the plot. Save your outrage for "false equivalency" and speak to the root cause of the outrage and indifference online or simply don't say anything at all.

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Gupta is right but not for the reasons he thinks. There is no moral equivalence between someone who kills one man and someone who kills thousands through lack of care/denial of care.
 
Paine said:
Gupta is right but not for the reasons he thinks. There is no moral equivalence between someone who kills one man and someone who kills thousands through lack of care/denial of care.
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Maybe they should have taken that step back long ago. Outrage for healthcare cost isn't the flavor of the month, it has been building as long as I can remember.
 
Listened to a Mark Cuban interview this morning where he discussed the Healthcare industry and insurance. Pretty interesting.
 
HeelingAg said:
That has to be the most fucked up medical rec I've heard, at least on the surface. Lady's pain likely had a significant phantom component to begin with, so there's a significant possibility the procedure not only eliminates arm function, but doesn't help the pain much.
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She lived in Canada/was a Canadian and it was probably almost 25 years ago. Our understanding of chronic pain, opioids and paraplegics was not what it is today.
 
UNCatTech said:
Maybe they should have taken that step back long ago. Outrage for healthcare cost isn't the flavor of the month, it has been building as long as I can remember.
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As someone in the insurance industry, but not health insurance, I think insurance companies take almost all of the criticism for the cost of medical care some of which they deserve but they are a shield for health providers. They aren't the reason your ER bill is 80k.
 
dcphx said:
As someone in the insurance industry, but not health insurance, I think insurance companies take almost all of the criticism for the cost of medical care some of which they deserve but they are a shield for health providers. They aren't the reason your ER bill is 80k.
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I've never said that it is only the insurance companies. The whole system has room for improvement.

But I do have plenty of bad personal experiences with United Healthcare specifically.
 
dcphx said:
As someone in the insurance industry, but not health insurance, I think insurance companies take almost all of the criticism for the cost of medical care some of which they deserve but they are a shield for health providers. They aren't the reason your ER bill is 80k.
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True. For my annual physical this year, between what insurance claimed to have paid and what I paid it was comfortably over $1000 for a 15 minute wellness visit.
 
“Health insurance companies are also reassessing the risks for their top executives after the murder. Some have removed photos of their leadership teams from their websites and are considering whether and how to increase security measures.”

We removed the pictures of our executives because, frankly, our customers may try to kill them.
 
1moretimeagain said:
True. For my annual physical this year, between what insurance claimed to have paid and what I paid it was comfortably over $1000 for a 15 minute wellness visit.
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Wow, that sucks.

My insurance covers what they call preventative visits, which include annual physical and blood work.

But somehow there's always some test during the physical that isn't covered, and they stopped giving me the cough test, that was half the fun. I have an HSA, so I pay 100% for the first $4000, before co-insurance kicks in.

I went to a rheumatologist last year, $500 for additional blood work, 5-minute talk and a guess at some medicine. If it didn't work, I could come back and let her guess again. No thanks.

I'm actually very happy with my health insurance now. I'm also happy that my daughters are doing well, and I haven't hit my max out of pocket in a few years.
 
UNCatTech said:
Wow, that sucks.

My insurance covers what they call preventative visits, which include annual physical and blood work.

But somehow there's always some test during the physical that isn't covered, and they stopped giving me the cough test, that was half the fun. I have an HSA, so I pay 100% for the first $4000, before co-insurance kicks in.

I went to a rheumatologist last year, $500 for additional blood work, 5-minute talk and a guess at some medicine. If it didn't work, I could come back and let her guess again. No thanks.

I'm actually very happy with my health insurance now. I'm also happy that my daughters are doing well, and I haven't hit my max out of pocket in a few years.
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Same. My insurance paid for the annual physical. IIRC they claim to have paid around $1200. My out of pocket was about $200 for lab work. Of course the explanation of benefits isn’t clear enough to figure out what lab work they covered. They must assume their customers know medical codes.
 
So far Medicare been very very good to me . I do have the "retired State Employee Humana Prescription thing " going
 
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