Walz v. Vance VP Debate - Post-Game Thread | Vance now says Trump won in 2020

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Luntz's CNN focus group of "undecideds" consisted of 10 middle-aged and older white guys, 2 white women, 1 black, and 1 Latino person. Shocking that with such a demographic makeup they said 12 to 2 that Vance won the debate. And if you think that all of these people are really "undecided" I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I'd love to see the voting records of these people, especially from 2016 and 2020.

ETA: Luntz wasn't on CNN last night, I do believe. Doesn't change the rest of my post, though - that is a very lopsided group of "undecided" voters, no matter what network he was on.
 
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Mulberry Heel said:
Luntz's CNN focus group of "undecideds" consisted of 10 middle-aged and older white guys, 2 white women, 1 black, and 1 Latino person. Shocking that with such a demographic makeup they said 12 to 2 that Vance won the debate. And if you think that all of these people are really "undecided" I've got a bridge in Brooklyn to sell you. I'd love to see the voting records of these people, especially in 2016 and 2020.
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Yea, cnn is stacking the deck in favor of republicans
 
I thought Vance won the debate, I thought he'd win it going in. It doesn't matter, VP debates are meaningless. No undecided voters are watching VP debates and basing their opinions on them. Was a bit disappointed with Walz, but he was ok.
 
Callatoroy said:
Yea, cnn is stacking the deck in favor of republicans
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LOL. Have you seen how many of the members of their other focus groups turned out to be Republicans and were not undecideds at all? I guess not.

ETA: And you do know that Frank Luntz is a longtime Republican, right? He actually started these focus groups to help guys like Dick Cheney and both Bushes frame winning issues for their campaigns.
 
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HeelYeah2012 said:
Wut? Yeah, Vance clearly articulated a centrist position on abortion. The only criticism anyone reasonable could have to his response is to say “yeah but he doesn’t really believe what he just said”, because what he said was dead on the money.
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Unfortunately, his performative debate stance on abortion, which you applaud, is NOT, his actual view. Until he joined the Trump ticket, he has stated on record many times that he wants and supports a national abortion ban. He has also stated he is 100% against all abortions, no exceptions.

Doesn't matter what he said tonight.
 
Kraftyheel89 said:
Unfortunately, his performative debate stance on abortion, which you applaud, is NOT, his actual view. Until he joined the Trump ticket, he has stated on record many times that he wants and supports a national abortion ban. He has also stated he is 100% against all abortions, no exceptions.

Doesn't matter what he said tonight.
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JD Vance doesn't have "actual" views. There is no reason to believe what he says tonight is any more or any less his "actual" view. At most, you can say it is his "current" view -- and even that claim is dubious.
 
Callatoroy said:
Record? Most liberal in congress. Proposals? She has proposals beyond vote buying gimmicks and looking at things from a “holistic” view?

Qualifications? Got the nomination without receiving a single vote. Very undemocratic, yes?
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You must have missed the part about turning off fox news and regurgitating pro-Russia propaganda.

Harris has degrees in economics and political science, and a law degree. She was a district attorney and attorney general. Like trump, she has experience in the legal system - she, prosecuting crimes - he, committing them.

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Callatoroy said:
I come back to visit on debate nights. There is zero reason to converse with people like you. Angry, insulting, intolerant, and simple minded. Not my idea of fun. I do miss interacting with 10 or 12 posters but you ain’t in that group. So after tonight I will be “tucking tail” again. It’s nice to see that you missed me though.
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You just happily vote for them.
 
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