Where do we go from here?

[fssheels]

1. This movement, except for Latinos, is statistically insignificant;
2. The exit poll data is not final at all. It's good enough to understand the Latino shift. It's not good enough (and probably never will be) to discern one point differences that are within the margin of error.
3. It's not as if they were running a racist candidate this year and a non-racist in 2020. It was the same guy who has been a virulent racist his entire life, and whose racism was the key to his initial entry into politics.
4. Why should I talk with you when you live in a different reality? You're just showing, yet again, that Trump supporters are who we think they are.

Such an arrogant prick, you were wrong before the election and wrong now. Landslide, get over it. You make false accusations, your information is refuted from your own source and other sources, but your opinion is more right than the facts you refute. I hope you are married, she found Mr Right. She didn’t know your first name was Always. You’ve got to be a joy to live with, or you could be a peach of a person in real life and a jerk on forums. You keep doing you son.

ETA: you’re divorced I see, god bless the time that woman spent with you.

 

[superrific]

She didn’t know your first name was Always.

Yep, standard response from people with insecurity complexes. Back away when presented with reality, with nothing but personal insults to run with.

This is why we can't have good things. Whoever said that MAGA is a real life explosion of main character syndrome was right on. News flash: you don't know very much about the world. And again, that's fine. It doesn't make you a bad person. You made a choice somewhere in life not to pursue education, and that's a good thing. The world needs tradesmen probably more than it needs law professors.

Just don't come over here and pretend that you know as much about the world as people who have dedicated their lives to learning about it and studying it. That's what really chafes at me.

You think arrogance is people knowing what they are talking about. I think arrogance is people who don't know shit but assume that they do and the experts are all wrong. You decide.

 

[fssheels]

Yep, standard response from people with insecurity complexes. Back away when presented with reality, with nothing but personal insults to run with.

This is why we can't have good things. Whoever said that MAGA is a real life explosion of main character syndrome was right on. News flash: you don't know very much about the world. And again, that's fine. It doesn't make you a bad person. You made a choice somewhere in life not to pursue education, and that's a good thing. The world needs tradesmen probably more than it needs law professors.

Just don't come over here and pretend that you know as much about the world as people who have dedicated their lives to learning about it and studying it. That's what really chafes at me.

You think arrogance is people knowing what they are talking about. I think arrogance is people who don't know shit but assume that they do and the experts are all wrong. You decide.

Insecurity is claiming to know things you don’t. You accuse me of lying, I cite facts and you claim that Reuters is wrong, and the article you posted yourself. I’m proud of my UNC education. I very well may not be as intelligent as you. But I do have enough common sense to not waste time making these long posts trying to impress people on a message board that amount to nothing. Just like your long explanation of the polls and how Harris was going to win. How did that work out for you?

 

[superrific]

Insecurity is claiming to know things you don’t. You accuse me of lying, I cite facts and you claim that Reuters is wrong, and the article you posted yourself. I’m proud of my UNC education. I very well may not be as intelligent as you. But I do have enough common sense to not waste time making these long posts trying to impress people on a message board that amount to nothing. Just like your long explanation of the polls and how Harris was going to win. How did that work out for you?

1. OK, I should not have accused you of lying. That was me typing too quickly. You see, this is my typical MO. If I do something I can't defend, then I retract. When people accuse me of thinking I'm always right, it's because I don't defend my errors unlike most people. You don't see me being wrong, because I just admit it and move on.

The main problem is that your facts don't mean anything. Your point of comparison is the same racist asshole. Also, black people not turning out to vote (if that's what happened) is not the same thing as Trump being not racist. We will have to see if Trump actually got any more votes than he did previously, but again that's not terribly relevant.

2. You give away so much when you accuse me of posting to "impress people." Talk about an insecurity complex. That's perhaps how you operate. For me, I like to share my knowledge and detailed thoughts, and people tend to appreciate them. I was a professor. That's what I do.

3. I honestly thought Kamala was going to win. All the prognosticators had the race at 50/50. It wasn't like I was Bouzy, out there predicting a Kamala land slide of 400 votes. I did say that the election was not likely to be close, which it wasn't. I just thought it would go for Kamala.

Where I went wrong was believing the PR vote was going to turn. And the reason I thought that was that GOP and Dem strategists were saying that. There were polls of PR voters showing like an 85-15 split after MSG. I didn't believe that, but I thought 75-25 was likely based on that. Marc Antony jumped in. Bad Bunny got involved (and he carries political heft on the island after all). I never held myself out to be an expert on PR. I was just going by what I read.

I also thought -- like virtually everyone -- that Kamala was going to do better among women than she did. Even Trump thought that, which is why on election day and the few days before, MAGA world was begging men to go to the polls. Charlie Kirk said, "if men don't vote, we're going to lose." That turned out to be inaccurate.

I'll own those errors. They don't mean my analysis was bullshit. It just means that it didn't play out that way. That's what probability is all about.

 

[IncognitoJones]

You, and so many others, have been manipulated into believing so many things that are simply not true by a party, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who desperately wanted to stay in power. After 4 more years of another Trump presidency have passed and none of the dire consequences the left has warned you about actually happen, you need to ask yourself why you were so easily manipulated and after doing so, maybe get a little pissed off about it.

Donald Trump colluded with Russia, Jussie Smollett was attacked by two Trump supporters, Trump called White Supremacists good people, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, Border Patrol was whipping migrants, the border is secure while millions of illegals walk across it and also while many more were being flown into cities all across this nation, Joe Biden is running circles around everybody behind the scenes....all lies. Were you convinced to believe any of it?

You want to know who is responsible for creating the vast majority of the division created over the last 8 years? The Democratic Party and the liberal media. The Democrats could have simply acknowledged that Trump beat Hillary, moved on and tried to find common ground. But no, they declared war on Trump and tried to win by any means necessary all the while trying to convince their supporters to hate Trump enough to play along. And in far too many cases it worked.

The nation has moved on from that BS. And if there are any people who still believe all the propaganda, spread across all the years, in an effort to convince you to hate Donald Trump....you are now in the minority. This election proves it.

save us the pontification, dumbfuck. you voted for a motherfucker who has never told the truth in his life.

 

[gregh1]

She's right that Dems have been trying to please or not piss-off everyone. How we got here though is that Repubs have a base. Their base is god/guns/anti-gay/pro-birth culture-warrior people. That group is biased enough easily eat up the spin and half-truths on crime, economy, immigration.

The Dems don't have this coalition, so they're having to pander to a much more diverse group, and at the same time bad inflation happened to an electorate that is uneducated on economic matters.

 

[superrific]

ETA: you’re divorced I see, god bless the time that woman spent with you.

And I'm remarried. My son is studying aerospace engineering and robotics at a top 10 engineering school. As a freshman, he's a lead on the aerospace club's project to launch a rocket into space. That's right. I couldn't believe it either. Just after his 19th birthday, he and about 10 other students are going to travel out west somewhere to launch a rocket into space. What were you doing when you were 18 and 19? That's what I thought.

So he turned out OK, I think. GFY.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

DNC chair election next year more important now, clearly.

Who will we put as DNC Chair?

A. Colin Allred
B. Bob Casey
C. Chris Bouzy!

Actually since we like to put people in there who have lost elections, I might actually like to see Katie Porter.

 

[Paine]

Who will we put as DNC Chair?

A. Colin Allred
B. Bob Casey
C. Chris Bouzy!

Actually since we like to put people in there who have lost elections, I might actually like to see Katie Porter.

I don’t think Porter is well suited for the DNC chair role. Find someone who has actual success in political organizing and messaging among the voters we’re losing.

Who was advising Gallego? Might want to look into some of his people.

 

[heelinhell]

Who will we put as DNC Chair?

A. Colin Allred
B. Bob Casey
C. Chris Bouzy!

Actually since we like to put people in there who have lost elections, I might actually like to see Katie Porter.

Stacy Abrams

 

[superrific]

Who was advising Gallego? Might want to look into some of his people.

We have to stop lionizing people who win races that would be hard to lose. I agree that Gallego is a great guy and I like him a lot. But he was also running against Kari Lake. It's like when people build up Whitmer and Shapiro as amazing politicians because they swept to victory over pathetic opponents. Does Josh Stein's landslide mean that he's a brilliant candidate who can win everywhere, or was it his opponent?

Clare McCaskill won a Senate race in 2012 that she had no business winning given that Missouri had long been on its descent into MAGA hell. It didn't make her amazing. It was that she was running against a guy who talked about "legitimate rape." (Incidentally, one wonders if he would win in this environment). She lost in 2018 in a Dem wave year and it wasn't close. I like Clare. It's not her fault. I'm just saying, beating terrible candidates is like beating up on a DII basketball team. It doesn't necessarily predict success in March Madness.

 

[uncjhodges]

We have to stop lionizing people who win races that would be hard to lose. I agree that Gallego is a great guy and I like him a lot. But he was also running against Kari Lake. It's like when people build up Whitmer and Shapiro as amazing politicians because they swept to victory over pathetic opponents. Does Josh Stein's landslide mean that he's a brilliant candidate who can win everywhere, or was it his opponent?

Clare McCaskill won a Senate race in 2012 that she had no business winning given that Missouri had long been on its descent into MAGA hell. It didn't make her amazing. It was that she was running against a guy who talked about "legitimate rape." (Incidentally, one wonders if he would win in this environment). She lost in 2018 in a Dem wave year and it wasn't close. I like Clare. It's not her fault. I'm just saying, beating terrible candidates is like beating up on a DII basketball team. It doesn't necessarily predict success in March Madness.

Todd Akin would win by 10-15 pts now

 

[Paine]

We have to stop lionizing people who win races that would be hard to lose. I agree that Gallego is a great guy and I like him a lot. But he was also running against Kari Lake. It's like when people build up Whitmer and Shapiro as amazing politicians because they swept to victory over pathetic opponents. Does Josh Stein's landslide mean that he's a brilliant candidate who can win everywhere, or was it his opponent?

Clare McCaskill won a Senate race in 2012 that she had no business winning given that Missouri had long been on its descent into MAGA hell. It didn't make her amazing. It was that she was running against a guy who talked about "legitimate rape." (Incidentally, one wonders if he would win in this environment). She lost in 2018 in a Dem wave year and it wasn't close. I like Clare. It's not her fault. I'm just saying, beating terrible candidates is like beating up on a DII basketball team. It doesn't necessarily predict success in March Madness.

Gallego did well with Latinos in a cycle where Dems lost a ton of support from them overall. I’m not lionizing him, but I think it’s also silly to say he only won because Lake was a bad candidate.

Lately the Democrats have been obsessed with DNC chairs who didn’t even win their own elections.

 

[Calheel]

Todd Akin would win by 10-15 pts now

Missouri is no more Republican than Alabama, and Doug Jones won against an awful candidate. It would not be a slam dunk.

 

[uncjhodges]

Missouri is no more Republican than Alabama, and Doug Jones won against an awful candidate. It would not be a slam dunk.

Roy moore was much worse, was accused of sexual assault, and barely lost an off year special election in a very democrat favored environment in the immediate aftermath of Charlottesville against a prominent civil rights attorney

 

[ole howard1]

I don't know if this adds much -- but. on the issue of not alienating working-class (especially white) people, it is obvious that Democrats have much work to do. But, I grow weary of the scolding Democrats receive about being out of touch, not respecting working-class folks, etc.

I live in Spartanburg, SC -- Donald Trump literally said that German automobile factory workers' jobs could be done by children. He said that about thousands of workers here in my home county. He said it about the crown jewel of Upstate, SC's economy. I doubt it cost him more than 100 votes here. I doubt it cost him more than 10 votes among the very workers he insulted.

It's just incredible. I don't know how to work with that.

 

[breepf]

Bro, the "hispanic" vote consists of lots of people who also identify as white. The hispanic vote is not monolithic, as people come from many different places for different reasons at different times. And many of those countries also feature profound racism against darker skinned people. Read something about it. Here, I'll give you a starter

Racism in Venezuela - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Race and ethnicity in Latin America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afro-descendants in Latin American countries live in starkly unequal conditions that impact health and well-being, PAHO study shows

Inequities for Afro-descendants include higher rates of maternal mortality and lack of access to education, jobs, adequate housing, and basic services such as safe water and sanitation. Washington, D.C. December 3, 2021 (PAHO) – A new study of Afro-descendant populations in 18 Latin American...

www.paho.org

Welp, I guess Trump won over just the racist Hispanics.

 

[dukeman92]

I don't know if this adds much -- but. on the issue of not alienating working-class (especially white) people, it is obvious that Democrats have much work to do. But, I grow weary of the scolding Democrats receive about being out of touch, not respecting working-class folks, etc.

I live in Spartanburg, SC -- Donald Trump literally said that German automobile factory workers' jobs could be done by children. He said that about thousands of workers here in my home county. He said it about the crown jewel of Upstate, SC's economy. I doubt it cost him more than 100 votes here. I doubt it cost him more than 10 votes among the very workers he insulted.

It's just incredible. I don't know how to work with that.

You can't.

 

[aGDevil2k]

I don't know if this adds much -- but. on the issue of not alienating working-class (especially white) people, it is obvious that Democrats have much work to do. But, I grow weary of the scolding Democrats receive about being out of touch, not respecting working-class folks, etc.

I live in Spartanburg, SC -- Donald Trump literally said that German automobile factory workers' jobs could be done by children. He said that about thousands of workers here in my home county. He said it about the crown jewel of Upstate, SC's economy. I doubt it cost him more than 100 votes here. I doubt it cost him more than 10 votes among the very workers he insulted.

It's just incredible. I don't know how to work with that.

You cant. But as the video said, stop with the trying to parse everything. We dont have to win working class white voters. But if we shave just 10 points off those losses, so we lose counties 60-40 instead of 65-35 (or more) then suddenly the game has absolutely changed.

I mean this was as red wavey as we have seen in a decade. And even with that, it's not like Trump just steamrolled...and it's not like the senate and house will be a bloodletting

 

[Illithor]

Bernie can register as a Democrat to run for President the same way I registered as a Republican to vote in the Republican primary in Ohio in 2016. Bernie is not and never has been a dues-paying member of the Democratic Party. They are never and were never going to nominate him.

So you’re saying you endorse the idea of rigging a primary against its strongest candidate if they aren’t 100% aligned with the party at all times? Interesting.

Older Fox News-watching boomer types probably all hate Bernie and believe the socialism thing, but I bet if you polled the younger Trump voters (like the ones who watch Rogan - who endorsed him in 2016), they would poll favorably towards him. He was the antidote to Trump in 2016. The problem wasn’t that he isn’t a “true democrat”. It was that Wall Street and big money politics didn’t want a guy who would ACTUALLY change things in favor of the average struggling American (who now flock to Trump, who doesn’t give AF about them).

I don’t know where we go from here. MSM is basically dead in the water if the Trump team decides to ban big pharma advertising, because nobody watches it anymore.