Where do we go from here?

[superrific]

Your post just doesn’t match reality. Harris performed better than Biden with white males, and worse with suburban women, Latinos and Blacks. If this is racism and sexism, the votes don’t show it.

1. You're just lying about how Harris performed. Here's what I've read from the AP:

How 5 key demographic groups voted in 2024: AP VoteCast

Donald Trump won the presidency after holding tight to his core base of voters and slightly expanding his coalition to include several groups that have traditionally been a part of the Democratic base.

apnews.com

"Slightly more than 8 in 10 Trump voters in this election were white, roughly in line with 2020. About two-thirds of Harris’ voters were white, and that largely matched President Joe Biden ’s coalition in the last election. White voters make up a bulk of the voting electorate in the United States, and they did not shift their support significantly at the national level compared to 2020."

I mean, what are you arguing here? That Trump wasn't racist in 2020? Trump has been the most racist major party candidate for president since . . . I don't even know. Certainly in my lifetime. He's been that way since the beginning. So if Harris did better with white men, it's largely because the education divide is firmly established. In 2020, educated people were shifting Dem but the realignment hadn't fully happened.

2. You think that women can't be racist? Or Latinos? Seriously?

3. The reality is that Trump ran the most racist campaign in modern history. That is not in dispute. Is it your position that nothing Trump did during his campaign had any impact whatsoever? Why was he talking about people coming here from Congo? Being released from prisons there? Why was he claiming that armed gangs of brown people -- their AI images ALWAYS featured dark skin -- were occupying towns all over the Midwest? Why did he focus on the Haitians in Ohio?

Again, maybe the racism of Trump since 2016 -- the never-ending, non-stop racism that began with rapists and murderers coming from Mexico -- was actually a big head fake and had no impact on his support. But I tend to think that's not true. Trump's appeal is that he has given the racists permission to be proud of their racism.

 

[superrific]

Trump got 46% of the Hispanic vote, bro.

Bro, the "hispanic" vote consists of lots of people who also identify as white. The hispanic vote is not monolithic, as people come from many different places for different reasons at different times. And many of those countries also feature profound racism against darker skinned people. Read something about it. Here, I'll give you a starter

Racism in Venezuela - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Race and ethnicity in Latin America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afro-descendants in Latin American countries live in starkly unequal conditions that impact health and well-being, PAHO study shows

Inequities for Afro-descendants include higher rates of maternal mortality and lack of access to education, jobs, adequate housing, and basic services such as safe water and sanitation. Washington, D.C. December 3, 2021 (PAHO) – A new study of Afro-descendant populations in 18 Latin American...

www.paho.org

 

[fssheels]

1. You're just lying about how Harris performed. Here's what I've read from the AP:

How 5 key demographic groups voted in 2024: AP VoteCast

Donald Trump won the presidency after holding tight to his core base of voters and slightly expanding his coalition to include several groups that have traditionally been a part of the Democratic base.

apnews.com

"Slightly more than 8 in 10 Trump voters in this election were white, roughly in line with 2020. About two-thirds of Harris’ voters were white, and that largely matched President Joe Biden ’s coalition in the last election. White voters make up a bulk of the voting electorate in the United States, and they did not shift their support significantly at the national level compared to 2020."

I mean, what are you arguing here? That Trump wasn't racist in 2020? Trump has been the most racist major party candidate for president since . . . I don't even know. Certainly in my lifetime. He's been that way since the beginning. So if Harris did better with white men, it's largely because the education divide is firmly established. In 2020, educated people were shifting Dem but the realignment hadn't fully happened.

2. You think that women can't be racist? Or Latinos? Seriously?

3. The reality is that Trump ran the most racist campaign in modern history. That is not in dispute. Is it your position that nothing Trump did during his campaign had any impact whatsoever? Why was he talking about people coming here from Congo? Being released from prisons there? Why was he claiming that armed gangs of brown people -- their AI images ALWAYS featured dark skin -- were occupying towns all over the Midwest? Why did he focus on the Haitians in Ohio?

Again, maybe the racism of Trump since 2016 -- the never-ending, non-stop racism that began with rapists and murderers coming from Mexico -- was actually a big head fake and had no impact on his support. But I tend to think that's not true. Trump's appeal is that he has given the racists permission to be proud of their racism.

From your article:


Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.

Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.

 

[aGDevil2k]

Trump got 46% of the Hispanic vote, bro.

Have you see the cross-nationality bigotry in Hispanic culture???

 

[aGDevil2k]

From your article:


Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.

Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.

Other things have said his black support went up 1 point. What's correct?

 

[Callatoroy]

We just witnessed the most brutally, explicitly racist and hate-filled political campaign since the 19th century from a party that has been running on demonizing dark skinned foreigners for a decade.

And somehow, in all of the post-mortems, I'm the only one mentioning race. I mean, did you even watch what was happening?

I thought we had learned that "economic anxiety" is nothing but code for racism. You know, the way it has always been. Even during Jim Crow, politicians didn't message, "we need to keep the n**** down" as much as "look at how these n****" are hurting our way of life." Look, they move into our neighborhoods and our house prices will drop. Look, they use drugs and cause crime. It's not that we hate the black people, they can't help themselves, it's just that they do all these bad things to us and we have to protect ourselves.

And right behind that was sexism, again as usual. What did Trump mean when he said Kamala can't be strong because, you know? We saw and read interviews with people (mostly men) wondering if a woman is too emotional to run the country, to be commander in chief, etc. etc.

But sure, it's the fault of the New Democrats in the 1990s. It was those feckless policies that caused the southern states to become a solid bloc in favor of the party hostile to minority rights. Because that had never happened before. Only the New Democrats caused the South to slip away, and it would have stayed blue forever if only we had not gutted union rights in those states. Oh, what's that? Those states have been "right to work" for decades? Well, it was still the fault of New Democrats. What's that? Those southern states started flipping to the GOP immediately after and clearly as a result of the Civil Rights movement, and the process has continued apace? Well, never mind. It was the New Democrats fault.

You’re a meme.

 

[fssheels]

Bro, the "hispanic" vote consists of lots of people who also identify as white. The hispanic vote is not monolithic, as people come from many different places for different reasons at different times. And many of those countries also feature profound racism against darker skinned people. Read something about it. Here, I'll give you a starter

Racism in Venezuela - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Race and ethnicity in Latin America - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Afro-descendants in Latin American countries live in starkly unequal conditions that impact health and well-being, PAHO study shows

Inequities for Afro-descendants include higher rates of maternal mortality and lack of access to education, jobs, adequate housing, and basic services such as safe water and sanitation. Washington, D.C. December 3, 2021 (PAHO) – A new study of Afro-descendant populations in 18 Latin American...

www.paho.org

Trump lost ground with all whites and white men, see below.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-nevada-exit-poll-us-presidential-election-2024-11-05/

Trump wins 57% of white voters nationwide; Harris wins 41%. Trump's share is down 1 percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 85% of Black voters nationwide; Trump wins 13%. Trump's share is up 1 percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 46% of Hispanic voters nationwide; Harris wins 52%. Trump's share is up 14 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 60% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 37%. Trump's share is down 1 percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.

 

[superrific]

You’re a meme.

LOL. Have you figured out yet that calling timeouts is not actually a good strategy?

 

[fssheels]

Other things have said his black support went up 1 point. What's correct?

They jive, Trump got one point more and Harris got 1 point less than Biden.

 

[superrific]

Trump lost ground with all whites and white men, see below.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/results-nevada-exit-poll-us-presidential-election-2024-11-05/

Trump wins 57% of white voters nationwide; Harris wins 41%. Trump's share is down 1 percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.
* Harris wins 85% of Black voters nationwide; Trump wins 13%. Trump's share is up 1 percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 46% of Hispanic voters nationwide; Harris wins 52%. Trump's share is up 14 percentage points from a 2020 exit poll.
* Trump wins 60% of white men voters nationwide; Harris wins 37%. Trump's share is down 1 percentage point from a 2020 exit poll.

1. This movement, except for Latinos, is statistically insignificant;
2. The exit poll data is not final at all. It's good enough to understand the Latino shift. It's not good enough (and probably never will be) to discern one point differences that are within the margin of error.
3. It's not as if they were running a racist candidate this year and a non-racist in 2020. It was the same guy who has been a virulent racist his entire life, and whose racism was the key to his initial entry into politics.
4. Why should I talk with you when you live in a different reality? You're just showing, yet again, that Trump supporters are who we think they are.

 

[superrific]

Have you see the cross-nationality bigotry in Hispanic culture???

Is this a serious question? Of course he hasn't. MAGA can't identify Latin America on a map.

 

[fssheels]

1. This movement, except for Latinos, is statistically insignificant;
2. The exit poll data is not final at all. It's good enough to understand the Latino shift. It's not good enough (and probably never will be) to discern one point differences that are within the margin of error.
3. It's not as if they were running a racist candidate this year and a non-racist in 2020. It was the same guy who has been a virulent racist his entire life, and whose racism was the key to his initial entry into politics.
4. Why should I talk with you when you live in a different reality? You're just showing, yet again, that Trump supporters are who we think they are.

Such an arrogant prick, you were wrong before the election and wrong now. Landslide, get over it. You make false accusations, your information is refuted from your own source and other sources, but your opinion is more right than the facts you refute. I hope you are married, she found Mr Right. She didn’t know your first name was Always. You’ve got to be a joy to live with, or you could be a peach of a person in real life and a jerk on forums. You keep doing you son.

ETA: you’re divorced I see, god bless the time that woman spent with you.

 

[superrific]

She didn’t know your first name was Always.

Yep, standard response from people with insecurity complexes. Back away when presented with reality, with nothing but personal insults to run with.

This is why we can't have good things. Whoever said that MAGA is a real life explosion of main character syndrome was right on. News flash: you don't know very much about the world. And again, that's fine. It doesn't make you a bad person. You made a choice somewhere in life not to pursue education, and that's a good thing. The world needs tradesmen probably more than it needs law professors.

Just don't come over here and pretend that you know as much about the world as people who have dedicated their lives to learning about it and studying it. That's what really chafes at me.

You think arrogance is people knowing what they are talking about. I think arrogance is people who don't know shit but assume that they do and the experts are all wrong. You decide.

 

[fssheels]

Yep, standard response from people with insecurity complexes. Back away when presented with reality, with nothing but personal insults to run with.

This is why we can't have good things. Whoever said that MAGA is a real life explosion of main character syndrome was right on. News flash: you don't know very much about the world. And again, that's fine. It doesn't make you a bad person. You made a choice somewhere in life not to pursue education, and that's a good thing. The world needs tradesmen probably more than it needs law professors.

Just don't come over here and pretend that you know as much about the world as people who have dedicated their lives to learning about it and studying it. That's what really chafes at me.

You think arrogance is people knowing what they are talking about. I think arrogance is people who don't know shit but assume that they do and the experts are all wrong. You decide.

Insecurity is claiming to know things you don’t. You accuse me of lying, I cite facts and you claim that Reuters is wrong, and the article you posted yourself. I’m proud of my UNC education. I very well may not be as intelligent as you. But I do have enough common sense to not waste time making these long posts trying to impress people on a message board that amount to nothing. Just like your long explanation of the polls and how Harris was going to win. How did that work out for you?

 

[superrific]

Insecurity is claiming to know things you don’t. You accuse me of lying, I cite facts and you claim that Reuters is wrong, and the article you posted yourself. I’m proud of my UNC education. I very well may not be as intelligent as you. But I do have enough common sense to not waste time making these long posts trying to impress people on a message board that amount to nothing. Just like your long explanation of the polls and how Harris was going to win. How did that work out for you?

1. OK, I should not have accused you of lying. That was me typing too quickly. You see, this is my typical MO. If I do something I can't defend, then I retract. When people accuse me of thinking I'm always right, it's because I don't defend my errors unlike most people. You don't see me being wrong, because I just admit it and move on.

The main problem is that your facts don't mean anything. Your point of comparison is the same racist asshole. Also, black people not turning out to vote (if that's what happened) is not the same thing as Trump being not racist. We will have to see if Trump actually got any more votes than he did previously, but again that's not terribly relevant.

2. You give away so much when you accuse me of posting to "impress people." Talk about an insecurity complex. That's perhaps how you operate. For me, I like to share my knowledge and detailed thoughts, and people tend to appreciate them. I was a professor. That's what I do.

3. I honestly thought Kamala was going to win. All the prognosticators had the race at 50/50. It wasn't like I was Bouzy, out there predicting a Kamala land slide of 400 votes. I did say that the election was not likely to be close, which it wasn't. I just thought it would go for Kamala.

Where I went wrong was believing the PR vote was going to turn. And the reason I thought that was that GOP and Dem strategists were saying that. There were polls of PR voters showing like an 85-15 split after MSG. I didn't believe that, but I thought 75-25 was likely based on that. Marc Antony jumped in. Bad Bunny got involved (and he carries political heft on the island after all). I never held myself out to be an expert on PR. I was just going by what I read.

I also thought -- like virtually everyone -- that Kamala was going to do better among women than she did. Even Trump thought that, which is why on election day and the few days before, MAGA world was begging men to go to the polls. Charlie Kirk said, "if men don't vote, we're going to lose." That turned out to be inaccurate.

I'll own those errors. They don't mean my analysis was bullshit. It just means that it didn't play out that way. That's what probability is all about.

 

[IncognitoJones]

You, and so many others, have been manipulated into believing so many things that are simply not true by a party, aided and abetted by the liberal media, who desperately wanted to stay in power. After 4 more years of another Trump presidency have passed and none of the dire consequences the left has warned you about actually happen, you need to ask yourself why you were so easily manipulated and after doing so, maybe get a little pissed off about it.

Donald Trump colluded with Russia, Jussie Smollett was attacked by two Trump supporters, Trump called White Supremacists good people, Hunter's laptop was Russian disinformation, Border Patrol was whipping migrants, the border is secure while millions of illegals walk across it and also while many more were being flown into cities all across this nation, Joe Biden is running circles around everybody behind the scenes....all lies. Were you convinced to believe any of it?

You want to know who is responsible for creating the vast majority of the division created over the last 8 years? The Democratic Party and the liberal media. The Democrats could have simply acknowledged that Trump beat Hillary, moved on and tried to find common ground. But no, they declared war on Trump and tried to win by any means necessary all the while trying to convince their supporters to hate Trump enough to play along. And in far too many cases it worked.

The nation has moved on from that BS. And if there are any people who still believe all the propaganda, spread across all the years, in an effort to convince you to hate Donald Trump....you are now in the minority. This election proves it.

save us the pontification, dumbfuck. you voted for a motherfucker who has never told the truth in his life.

 

[gregh1]

She's right that Dems have been trying to please or not piss-off everyone. How we got here though is that Repubs have a base. Their base is god/guns/anti-gay/pro-birth culture-warrior people. That group is biased enough easily eat up the spin and half-truths on crime, economy, immigration.

The Dems don't have this coalition, so they're having to pander to a much more diverse group, and at the same time bad inflation happened to an electorate that is uneducated on economic matters.

 

[superrific]

ETA: you’re divorced I see, god bless the time that woman spent with you.

And I'm remarried. My son is studying aerospace engineering and robotics at a top 10 engineering school. As a freshman, he's a lead on the aerospace club's project to launch a rocket into space. That's right. I couldn't believe it either. Just after his 19th birthday, he and about 10 other students are going to travel out west somewhere to launch a rocket into space. What were you doing when you were 18 and 19? That's what I thought.

So he turned out OK, I think. GFY.

 

[HeelInTheOzarks]

DNC chair election next year more important now, clearly.

Who will we put as DNC Chair?

A. Colin Allred
B. Bob Casey
C. Chris Bouzy!

Actually since we like to put people in there who have lost elections, I might actually like to see Katie Porter.

 

[Paine]

Who will we put as DNC Chair?

A. Colin Allred
B. Bob Casey
C. Chris Bouzy!

Actually since we like to put people in there who have lost elections, I might actually like to see Katie Porter.

I don’t think Porter is well suited for the DNC chair role. Find someone who has actual success in political organizing and messaging among the voters we’re losing.

Who was advising Gallego? Might want to look into some of his people.