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Absolutely loved that show
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Absolutely loved that show
Any statement that begins, “All due respect….” is going to be an insult.That’s considered an insult to you?
All I’m saying is, if I was half as cynical as a lot of you, I wouldn’t even post about politics, follow politics, or talk to anyone about politics. If you think nothing makes a difference, just stop talking about it.
Especially on a thread titled “where do we go from here?” This is about the path forward. Not sitting around and moping about the current state of things. If you think nothing matters, fine. Don’t bring it here when I’m trying to discuss specifics of a piece. It’s not helpful.
Now it's my turn to respond to you. I never said nothing matters. You took that from.it because you don't like my point of view. I said that show, spectacle, and bombast matter. I said that policy doesn't move most voters and it specifically does not move the working class.That’s considered an insult to you?
All I’m saying is, if I was half as cynical as a lot of you, I wouldn’t even post about politics, follow politics, or talk to anyone about politics. If you think nothing makes a difference, just stop talking about it.
Especially on a thread titled “where do we go from here?” This is about the path forward. Not sitting around and moping about the current state of things. If you think nothing matters, fine. Don’t bring it here when I’m trying to discuss specifics of a piece. It’s not helpful.
I really believe reality TV and social media has a lot to do with why things are like that, too. Just dumbed down the population even moreNow it's my turn to respond to you. I never said nothing matters. You took that from.it because you don't like my point of view. I said that show, spectacle, and bombast matter. I said that policy doesn't move most voters and it specifically does not move the working class.
You want a path forward? Then you'd better be willing to acknowledge that all the reading, research, and scholarly thought in the world isn't going to change the fact that Americans crave a cult of personality currently.
The ONLY path forward that I see to winning for Democrats is to build a cult of personality in the same way that Republicans have built around Trump. Policy...even enormously popular and successful policy will not dent that.
We are in a post-truth society. What matters totally is perception and showmanship.
Take it from someone who turns classes into performance and "entertains" for a living. They don't want anything more or less than leaving feeling better than they came in, substance be damned.
Trump is circus entertainment and that is preferable to most of the country.
It is for roughly half of the population.more substance here than what you said originally, still an incredibly cynical take and one that I, needless to say, don’t think is accurate at all.
Keep denying the truth.Keep blaming the voters, surely that will help.
Recognizing what people want is not blaming.Keep blaming the voters, surely that will help.
They are the ones who actually did this. Who else would you blame>Keep blaming the voters, surely that will help.
When I hear something such as, “I mean this genuinely……,” I think the speaker is a liar.Maybe should’ve said something along the lines of “I mean this genuinely” instead of “all due respect.” It was a genuine question. I just can’t understand following a politics board and actively posting on it while simultaneously thinking voters are just too dumb/too far gone/too racist/too sexist or whatever. It doesn’t logically compute.
Politics is about convincing the voters that we have and winning power. If you don’t think that’s possible, what’s the point?
And im saying that the policy proposals don't matter so long as they make the audience feel good. Trump’s policy proposals are literally to end the American economy.I don’t think what you’re saying is as disconnected from what I’m saying as you’re making it out to be. Part of crafting a team that people want to cheer for is advocating for and pushing forth easily understood policy proposals. To say that it doesn’t matter at all is silly.
That is total bullshit. The press covered up for Trump and the voters bought a load of horseshit. That's what lost the election, not Biden's failure to withdraw as a candidate.Joe Biden and his advisors are much more to blame for Democrats losing the White House in 2024 than any voter.
This is crazy talk.Joe Biden and his advisors are much more to blame for Democrats losing the White House in 2024 than any voter.
Correct...so now you've got to find a way to not lose people like me who think leftists policy proposals are as much bunk as Trump’s.So maybe we should put forth policies that make people feel good? All I’ve been told by liberals for my entire political life is that left wing policy proposals shouldn’t be pressed because they’re unrealistic and people will never vote for them.
Now, a lot of the same people are saying policy doesn’t matter at all and people just want to feel good.
Not saying you’re someone who said the latter, but I’ve noticed a considerable overlap in those opinions.
This I agree with and said as much all along. Biden should have never remotely considered running.We can agree to disagree. Democrats beat Trump with a competitive primary IMO.
Are you assuming the Biden would have or should have withdrawn? If he didn't, and with him leading us to the best post pandemic recovery of the G7, you'd have to both wonder why he would and what affect that might have on the recovery, who do you think would have beat him out?We can agree to disagree. Democrats beat Trump with a competitive primary IMO.
It’s not semantics.Okay, so you’re just arguing semantics now. My opinion is clear.