HeelInTheOzarks
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Yep, incumbents get reelected unless they jack things up pretty clearly. Trump would’ve clearly been reelected in 2020 if he wasn’t mangling the COVID crisis so badly.
Where do we go from here?
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In my view, it boils down to the average person caring primarily about their own financial situation and being susceptible to snake oil sales tactics.
Trump is a despicable person and seems relatively unintelligent, but he is also a shrewd political salesman and recognizes the basic financial pain points that the average working class American is feeling. Even though he is vague on the details of how he is going to actually solve those things (purposefully so, because he doesn’t have any intention in doing that), he still constantly presses on those same basic pain points over and over again mixed with the right amount of racist and misogynist dog whistle rhetoric, until his messaging resonates with a majority of the electorate.
Contrast that with Kamala. By all accounts she seems like a decent person as far as politicians go, and is intelligent and as qualified on paper as anyone to be president. Unfortunately, her personality when she campaigns, makes speeches, debates, etc, comes across to a lot of people as corny, out of touch, and inauthentic. Would that really make much of a difference in the grand scheme of things in terms of how she would perform as president? I don’t think so. We’re talking about how to win an election though, and those type of personality traits matter a lot.
All of this stuff keeps bringing me back to Bernie Sanders. Throw out his specific policies for argument’s sake. When he was in the spotlight during previous campaign cycles, he seemed earnest in a genuine way, he understood the pain points of the average American, and he was concise and consistent with his messaging about he was going to solve those things. I think the Democratic Party desperately needs someone with that sort of personality to step up or they will assuredly keep getting pantsed in these elections.
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Nah. They hated Obama from Day 1.
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Funny how his first term mirrors Biden's.
GoHeelsweeeehoooo
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So who is the leader of the Democratic party now? Hakeem Jefferies ?
I disagree--to cobble together his white rural base, Trump required the implosion of the Republican party under GWB and the New Democrat deregulatory efforts of the 1990s.
This.
Not Bernie's policies specifically, but his attitude and perceived authenticity goes a very long way. Make a movement and people will vote for that movement, but you need the right kind of politician to break through. Obama did, Bernie did, and Trump did.
Be concise and ram that message home in every. single. speech. You aren't trying to appeal to this board, you are trying to appeal to the people that tune in once every 4 or if really pissed off 2 years.
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We just witnessed the most brutally, explicitly racist and hate-filled political campaign since the 19th century from a party that has been running on demonizing dark skinned foreigners for a decade.
And somehow, in all of the post-mortems, I'm the only one mentioning race. I mean, did you even watch what was happening?
I thought we had learned that "economic anxiety" is nothing but code for racism. You know, the way it has always been. Even during Jim Crow, politicians didn't message, "we need to keep the n**** down" as much as "look at how these n****" are hurting our way of life." Look, they move into our neighborhoods and our house prices will drop. Look, they use drugs and cause crime. It's not that we hate the black people, they can't help themselves, it's just that they do all these bad things to us and we have to protect ourselves.
And right behind that was sexism, again as usual. What did Trump mean when he said Kamala can't be strong because, you know? We saw and read interviews with people (mostly men) wondering if a woman is too emotional to run the country, to be commander in chief, etc. etc.
But sure, it's the fault of the New Democrats in the 1990s. It was those feckless policies that caused the southern states to become a solid bloc in favor of the party hostile to minority rights. Because that had never happened before. Only the New Democrats caused the South to slip away, and it would have stayed blue forever if only we had not gutted union rights in those states. Oh, what's that? Those states have been "right to work" for decades? Well, it was still the fault of New Democrats. What's that? Those southern states started flipping to the GOP immediately after and clearly as a result of the Civil Rights movement, and the process has continued apace? Well, never mind. It was the New Democrats fault.
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He also held on by narrowly winning blue wall states against an opponent who was thoroughly hated by blue wall state residents on account of said opponent having stolen millions of pensions.
The financial crisis was still in people's minds and Romney came from the class of people who created it.
aGDevil2k
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IMO mostly. And that's a good thing. But it's also OK not to have a set leader.
To be honest, I want to see our next pres candidate go to the field and stuff NOT wearing suits. Dont act stuffy. Be a person
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Which is why we might just have to let Trump burn it all down (within reason).
MAGA is a cancer and most cancers aren't cured without a significant amount of suffering.
Trump got 46% of the Hispanic vote, bro.
Your post just doesn’t match reality. Harris performed better than Biden with white males, and worse with suburban women, Latinos and Blacks. If this is racism and sexism, the votes don’t show it.
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You're probably right.
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1. You're just lying about how Harris performed. Here's what I've read from the AP:
How 5 key demographic groups voted in 2024: AP VoteCast
Donald Trump won the presidency after holding tight to his core base of voters and slightly expanding his coalition to include several groups that have traditionally been a part of the Democratic base.
apnews.com
"Slightly more than 8 in 10 Trump voters in this election were white, roughly in line with 2020. About two-thirds of Harris’ voters were white, and that largely matched President Joe Biden ’s coalition in the last election. White voters make up a bulk of the voting electorate in the United States, and they did not shift their support significantly at the national level compared to 2020."
I mean, what are you arguing here? That Trump wasn't racist in 2020? Trump has been the most racist major party candidate for president since . . . I don't even know. Certainly in my lifetime. He's been that way since the beginning. So if Harris did better with white men, it's largely because the education divide is firmly established. In 2020, educated people were shifting Dem but the realignment hadn't fully happened.
2. You think that women can't be racist? Or Latinos? Seriously?
3. The reality is that Trump ran the most racist campaign in modern history. That is not in dispute. Is it your position that nothing Trump did during his campaign had any impact whatsoever? Why was he talking about people coming here from Congo? Being released from prisons there? Why was he claiming that armed gangs of brown people -- their AI images ALWAYS featured dark skin -- were occupying towns all over the Midwest? Why did he focus on the Haitians in Ohio?
Again, maybe the racism of Trump since 2016 -- the never-ending, non-stop racism that began with rapists and murderers coming from Mexico -- was actually a big head fake and had no impact on his support. But I tend to think that's not true. Trump's appeal is that he has given the racists permission to be proud of their racism.
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Bro, the "hispanic" vote consists of lots of people who also identify as white. The hispanic vote is not monolithic, as people come from many different places for different reasons at different times. And many of those countries also feature profound racism against darker skinned people. Read something about it. Here, I'll give you a starter
Racism in Venezuela - Wikipedia
Race and ethnicity in Latin America - Wikipedia
Afro-descendants in Latin American countries live in starkly unequal conditions that impact health and well-being, PAHO study shows
Inequities for Afro-descendants include higher rates of maternal mortality and lack of access to education, jobs, adequate housing, and basic services such as safe water and sanitation. Washington, D.C. December 3, 2021 (PAHO) – A new study of Afro-descendant populations in 18 Latin American...
1. You're just lying about how Harris performed. Here's what I've read from the AP:
How 5 key demographic groups voted in 2024: AP VoteCast
Donald Trump won the presidency after holding tight to his core base of voters and slightly expanding his coalition to include several groups that have traditionally been a part of the Democratic base.
"Slightly more than 8 in 10 Trump voters in this election were white, roughly in line with 2020. About two-thirds of Harris’ voters were white, and that largely matched President Joe Biden ’s coalition in the last election. White voters make up a bulk of the voting electorate in the United States, and they did not shift their support significantly at the national level compared to 2020."
I mean, what are you arguing here? That Trump wasn't racist in 2020? Trump has been the most racist major party candidate for president since . . . I don't even know. Certainly in my lifetime. He's been that way since the beginning. So if Harris did better with white men, it's largely because the education divide is firmly established. In 2020, educated people were shifting Dem but the realignment hadn't fully happened.
2. You think that women can't be racist? Or Latinos? Seriously?
3. The reality is that Trump ran the most racist campaign in modern history. That is not in dispute. Is it your position that nothing Trump did during his campaign had any impact whatsoever? Why was he talking about people coming here from Congo? Being released from prisons there? Why was he claiming that armed gangs of brown people -- their AI images ALWAYS featured dark skin -- were occupying towns all over the Midwest? Why did he focus on the Haitians in Ohio?
Again, maybe the racism of Trump since 2016 -- the never-ending, non-stop racism that began with rapists and murderers coming from Mexico -- was actually a big head fake and had no impact on his support. But I tend to think that's not true. Trump's appeal is that he has given the racists permission to be proud of their racism.
From your article:
Nationally, about 8 in 10 Black voters supported Harris. But, that was down from about 9 in 10 in the last presidential election who went for Biden.
Trump about doubled his share of young Black men – which helped him among key Democratic voting group. About 3 in 10 Black men under the age of 45 went for Trump, roughly double the number he got in 2020.
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Have you see the cross-nationality bigotry in Hispanic culture???