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ZenMode said:
I doubt most voters take note of EOs, but things like that are brought up during election season. I think people are more likely to notice that Biden took 2+ years to take any action on the border because stand-alone EOs are likely to make the news.

I can make a pretty decent guess on why he took so long.
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What is your guess?

I believe it is because his top priority was the economy.
 
ZenMode said:
From the CBP website:

The reason the action was needed in June of 2024 is because the existing policies, which were undoubtedly impacted the the EO in March of 2021, didn't deter illegal immigration.

My claim that Biden took nearly immediate action to allow males into girls restrooms is accurate, even if the EO had other effects as well.

You may not like my approach or wording, but my claim is factual and it doesn't take a mind reading ability to recognize that the time of each action was no coincidental.
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You are wrong. The EO of June 2024 did not create any policy. It announced a policy that was in the making for two years.

Whatever. Can't argue with stupid. You don't understand the first thing about how any of this works.
 
Zen, you will learn that super doesn't engage in good faith. He wants to play semantics as that is his way out of everything. Stick to the macro level with him. Biden invited illegal migrants here with his campaign rhetoric.

From a practical pov he basically undid everything trump did at the border and created a nightmare for the country. Releasing them into the country was completely contrary to what trump was doing. Then he put kackling kamala in charge of the border and it was the deer in the headlights. She was grossly incapable due to low intellect and competency. Hell, for 3 years they denied the border was an issue and she even said it was secure in an interview.

Many on this board dismissed this as a huge electoral issue. Brandon did as well until 6 mos before the election and then he acted in the most transparent manner ever. Then she tried to go out and tell everyone they were tough on illegal immigration and of course nobody but those like super believed her.

The rest is just revisionist history and doesn't matter because it was one of their biggest losing policies of the election.
 
superrific said:
You are wrong. The EO of June 2024 did not create any policy. It announced a policy that was in the making for two years.

Whatever. Can't argue with stupid. You don't understand the first thing about how any of this works.
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Why do you believe it was in the making for 2 years?
 
Callatoroy said:
Zen, you will learn that super doesn't engage in good faith. He wants to play semantics as that is his way out of everything. Stick to the macro level with him. Biden invited illegal migrants here with his campaign rhetoric.

From a practical pov he basically undid everything trump did at the border and created a nightmare for the country. Releasing them into the country was completely contrary to what trump was doing. Then he put kackling kamala in charge of the border and it was the deer in the headlights. She was grossly incapable due to low intellect and competency. Hell, for 3 years they denied the border was an issue and she even said it was secure in an interview.

Many on this board dismissed this as a huge electoral issue. Brandon did as well until 6 mos before the election and then he acted in the most transparent manner ever. Then she tried to go out and tell everyone they were tough on illegal immigration and of course nobody but those like super believed her.

The rest is just revisionist history and doesn't matter because it was one of their biggest losing policies of the election.
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Biden invited illegal migrants here with his campaign rhetoric? He did? Wow! What power!

Illegal immigration a nightmare for the country? How so? I've never figured out how the border issue, while certainly an issue, is apocalyptic in nature.

Kackling Kamala? Low intellect and competency? Trump is more intelligent?! Really?!

This here folks is the real Trump Derangement Syndrome.
 
ZenMode said:
Why do you believe it was in the making for 2 years?
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1. Because I know how things work. It wasn't even an executive order. It was a rule passed by DHS. The interim final rule was put for public comment in May 2024, and the rule itself was announced in June. Did you read the rule or the rulemaking?
2. Before the 2024 rulemaking, there was a rulemaking in 2023 called "circumvention of lawful pathways final rule." That rulemaking was required for the May 2024 rule making to be effective. Did you know about the 2023 rulemaking? No, you didn't. So the 2023 rulemaking had to go through the rule making process, which requires agency fact finding, notice-and-comment rule making, and the publication of an interim final rule. That takes 6 months at a minimum.

The final rule was published in May 2023. You do the math.

www.dhs.gov

Fact Sheet: Circumvention of Lawful Pathways Final Rule | Homeland Security

As part of the Biden-Harris Administration’s work to prepare for the end of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Title 42 public health Order, which will expire after May 11, 2023, and to return to processing all noncitizens under Title 8 immigration authorities, the Department of...
www.dhs.gov www.dhs.gov

3. I also read an article from a person who had been working on this policy since 2022. I can't find it right now and it's hard to google because border policy returns so many matches, but anyway you don't need to know that. All you need to do is read the rulemakings. And if you're not going to do that, then you should stop talking.

Here is a court case describing some of the procedural history. The Lawful Pathways rule was proposed as a rulemaking on February 23, 2023. So there you go. Any further questions?

 
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Callatoroy said:
From a practical pov he basically undid everything trump did at the border and created a nightmare for the country. Releasing them into the country was completely contrary to what trump was doing. Then he put kackling kamala in charge of the border and it was the deer in the headlights. She was grossly incapable due to low intellect and competency. Hell, for 3 years they denied the border was an issue and she even said it was secure in an interview.
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I’m sorry, but it is mind blowing that you are discussing intellect, without acknowledging that, the way things are going now, J.D. Vance is going to be the voice of reason and intelligence in the Trump administration.

Kamala is more intelligent than any of the names seriously being bandied about for any position in Trump’s cabinet. For this reason, more than any other, you should be concerned. These are not “good faith” people, and they are neither intelligent, nor competent.

And you are putting that man in charge surrounded by those people who are incredibly unprepared to do those jobs, and you expect exactly what to happen?

This is the best he can do? Either because everyone else said “no,” or because he is arrogant enough not to care (or, god forbid, the third option, that he really does think that they are as good as anyone else is for the job, because he still doesn’t understand what each job entails).

Really?

Really.

Mind blowing.
 
Matt Gaetz is going to be our next Secretary of State. The man thinks he is still at a kegger at Theta Chi.

This is the best Trump could do?

I’m not saying that you should be freaking out, or anything, but if that doesn’t give you pause, I just don’t think you take politics seriously.
 
We are all talking about the law. And the law is about semantics. Which is why good laws take so long to be put in place.

And that’s the problem with building real legislation as a president. Certain laws have to be put in place in the first 100 days. That is generally when presidents have the most popularity. Other laws need to be built around a larger infrastructure. They take time because they involve more agencies. We can discuss the intelligence of each law, but the timing is different because the scope is different. It’s not that one is being placed as being more important than the other. Or at least not the one you think. Biden’s border/immigration law was the more important, which is why it took him longer to roll it out.
 
sringwal said:
Matt Gaetz is going to be our next Secretary of State. The man thinks he is still at a kegger at Theta Chi.

This is the best Trump could do?

I’m not saying that you should be freaking out, or anything, but if that doesn’t give you pause, I just don’t think you take politics seriously.
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Worse
Attorney General
Little Marco is Sec of State nominee
 
Fuck. Right.

Vance will be the most intelligent.

Rubio will be the most empathetic.

Voices of reason, ya’ll.
 
sringwal said:
I’m sorry, but it is mind blowing that you are discussing intellect, without acknowledging that, the way things are going now, J.D. Vance is going to be the voice of reason and intelligence in the Trump administration.

Kamala is more intelligent than any of the names seriously being bandied about for any position in Trump’s cabinet. For this reason, more than any other, you should be concerned. These are not “good faith” people, and they are neither intelligent, nor competent.

And you are putting that man in charge surrounded by those people who are incredibly unprepared to do those jobs, and you expect exactly what to happen?

This is the best he can do? Either because everyone else said “no,” or because he is arrogant enough not to care (or, god forbid, the third option, that he really does think that they are as good as anyone else is for the job, because he still doesn’t understand what each job entails).

Really?

Really.

Mind blowing.
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ok, kamala not more intelligent than rubio, hegseth, Wiles, musk, ramaswammy, or gaetz. Not nearly as competent as those 6, plus homan, noem, and gabbard. Why do i say that? Everyone of them can conduct an intelligent interview without having to be treated like a child and everyone of them can speak in coherent sentences. Gabbard tied her in knots during the 2020 debates. Noem and homan are/were actually great at their jobs.

Don't take the above to mean I think that is an all-star lineup. I have serious reservations about some of them but no credible person can listen to harris speak / conduct an interview and look at her performance as VP and during her campaign and say this is an incredibly sharp and competent individual. She was woefully incapable of being potus. She is incredibly adept at timing and taking advantage of positions given to her. She was vp from wokeness and she was the dem nominee because of the box that wokeness put the dnc in.
 
Callatoroy said:
ok, kamala not more intelligent than rubio, hegseth, Wiles, musk, ramaswammy, or gaetz. Not nearly as competent as those 6, plus homan, noem, and gabbard. Why do i say that? Everyone of them can conduct an intelligent interview without having to be treated like a child and everyone of them can speak in coherent sentences. Gabbard tied her in knots during the 2020 debates. Noem and homan are/were actually great at their jobs.

Don't take the above to mean I think that is an all-star lineup. I have serious reservations about some of them but no credible person can listen to harris speak / conduct an interview and look at her performance as VP and during her campaign and say this is an incredibly sharp and competent individual. She was woefully incapable of being potus. She is incredibly adept at timing and taking advantage of positions given to her. She was vp from wokeness and she was the dem nominee because of the box that wokeness put the dnc in.
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You almost fooled me into thinking you were making a serious, albeit misguided, attempt at a point, but that last sentence betrayed you.

But go look at the lexile level for their speeches and here. Come back to me. Then we can talk.
 
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