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ZenMode said:
I agree that identity politics is not unique to the Democratic party. To a point, we all engage in identity politics in our everyday lives. I do think that a decent portion of the identity politics we see in the Republican party is the result of, and reaction to, identity politics in the Democratic party...but that a different discussion.

"Woke", at least on the right, is a cover-all term for most anything related to social activism that the Republican party doesn't like. Trans activism, DEI, progressive legal concepts....you can throw affirmative action in there. To varying degrees, those things are interwoven with identity politics and seem to be what voters are pushing back against.
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Agree about the Republican definition of woke. It’s definitely a real concept that people, left and right, are pushing back against regardless of people’s individual definitions. Reps picked up on an underlying anger and have turned it towards their own means quite effectively.

My definition of it is something closer to being obsessed with individual identity over what binds us together. The only identity the Democrats need to focus on is working class people vs. the ultra rich and corporate interests. That’s how the party has always built power.

Obviously I acknowledge that intersectionality is a real thing. I think the best way to address systemic inequality is through dismantling capitalism. Short of that, it’s through regulating the system’s worst impulses.
 
Well after saying for months and months that he was going to get grocery prices down, Trump now says he can't do that.

So, looks to me like "go from here" for the democrats is just speak to people across the country "we get it, and we will do xyz, but we wont lie to your face like they just did" and start saying it now all the way thru 2026 and 28
 
aGDevil2k said:
Well after saying for months and months that he was going to get grocery prices down, Trump now says he can't do that.

So, looks to me like "go from here" for the democrats is just speak to people across the country "we get it, and we will do xyz, but we wont lie to your face like they just did" and start saying it now all the way thru 2026 and 28
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I think many people would prefer to be lied to.
 
aGDevil2k said:
Well after saying for months and months that he was going to get grocery prices down, Trump now says he can't do that.

So, looks to me like "go from here" for the democrats is just speak to people across the country "we get it, and we will do xyz, but we wont lie to your face like they just did" and start saying it now all the way thru 2026 and 28
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Biden’s fine. We don’t know what you’re talking about.
 
www.thenation.com

How America Invented the Red State

According to conventional wisdom, the last quarter century of elections has proved that most of the country leans conservative. It all started with a map.
www.thenation.com www.thenation.com

Long read but worth it. Something a lot of liberal posters here need to read.
 
cup.columbia.edu

Rust Belt Union Blues | Columbia University Press

In the heyday of American labor, the influence of local unions extended far beyond the workplace. Unions were embedded in tight-knit communities, touching ne... | CUP
cup.columbia.edu cup.columbia.edu

Finally got my hands on this book for the holiday. Good read so far.

“Lainey Newman and Theda Skocpol provide timely insight into the relationship between the decline of unions and the shift of working-class voters away from Democrats. Drawing on interviews, union newsletters, and ethnographic analysis, they pinpoint the significance of eroding local community ties and identities. Using western Pennsylvania as a case study, Newman and Skocpol argue that union members’ loyalty to Democratic candidates was as much a product of the group identity that unions fostered as it was a response to the Democratic Party’s economic policies. As the social world around organized labor dissipated, conservative institutions like gun clubs, megachurches, and other Republican-leaning groups took its place.

Rust Belt Union Blues sheds new light on why so many union members have dramatically changed their party politics. It makes a compelling case that Democrats are unlikely to rebuild credibility in places like western Pennsylvania unless they find new ways to weave themselves into the daily lives of workers and their families.”
 
My Deddy (born 1916) was a New Dealer from rural NC and actually more of an Eleonor than a Franklin Delano Roosevelt Democrat. He always said that Adlai Stevenson was the best man he ever saw run for president that never won.
 
Paine said:
cup.columbia.edu

Rust Belt Union Blues | Columbia University Press

In the heyday of American labor, the influence of local unions extended far beyond the workplace. Unions were embedded in tight-knit communities, touching ne... | CUP
cup.columbia.edu cup.columbia.edu

Finally got my hands on this book for the holiday. Good read so far.

“Lainey Newman and Theda Skocpol provide timely insight into the relationship between the decline of unions and the shift of working-class voters away from Democrats. Drawing on interviews, union newsletters, and ethnographic analysis, they pinpoint the significance of eroding local community ties and identities. Using western Pennsylvania as a case study, Newman and Skocpol argue that union members’ loyalty to Democratic candidates was as much a product of the group identity that unions fostered as it was a response to the Democratic Party’s economic policies. As the social world around organized labor dissipated, conservative institutions like gun clubs, megachurches, and other Republican-leaning groups took its place.

Rust Belt Union Blues sheds new light on why so many union members have dramatically changed their party politics. It makes a compelling case that Democrats are unlikely to rebuild credibility in places like western Pennsylvania unless they find new ways to weave themselves into the daily lives of workers and their families.”
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Wow…Theda Skocpol was hot stuff when I was a grad student with some of my profs in history - especially Gil Joseph.

THIS was the text..,


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donbosco said:
Wow…Theda Skocpol was hot stuff when I was a grad student with some of my profs in history - especially Gil Joseph.

THIS was the text..,


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Wish I had the chance to take some classes under Joseph at Carolina. Miguel La Serna was who I took most of my Latin American history with. Don’t think I would’ve liked Yale very much (or have gotten in lol).
 
wmheel1287 said:
These idiots will be the very definition of fuck around and find out. Trump won't leave a breathing Palestinian in the Middle East. He will let Israel do whatever they want.
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100%

i do not feel sorry for any of them whatsoever. they can all go fuck themselves. the uncommitted and abandon people, that is. not all of the folks in the ME who will suffer.
 
heelinhell said:
"Abandon Harris" movement does a post mortem:confused:

www.nbcnews.com

Leaders of 'Uncommitted' and 'Abandon Harris' movements reflect on Trump's victory and early moves

A combination of worry and cautious optimism about Trump — and deep anger at the Democratic Party — pervade the groups.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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By no means do I believe the Muslim vote was a primary cause of Harris' loss, but I wouldn't expect Muslims in general, especially those who are Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers, to find much hope in either of the two main US political parties as it relates to the war. That's a good thing.
 
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ZenMode said:
By no means do I believe the Muslim vote was a primary cause of Harris' loss, but I wouldn't expect Muslims in general, especially those who are Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers, to find much hope in either of the two main US political parties as it relates to the war. That's a good thing.
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Which, to you, is probably most Muslims.
 
ZenMode said:
I wouldn't expect Muslims in general, especially those who are Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers, to find much hope in either of the two main US political parties as it relates to the war. That's a good thing.
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Yes, Muslims in general are more critical of our reflexive pro-Israel stance on a whole bunch of issues.

Why do you think that Muslims who oppose our policies in the region are "terrorist sympathizers"? You can be 1000% opposed to Likud and not be a "terrorist sympathizer".
 
heelinhell said:
"Abandon Harris" movement does a post mortem:confused:

www.nbcnews.com

Leaders of 'Uncommitted' and 'Abandon Harris' movements reflect on Trump's victory and early moves

A combination of worry and cautious optimism about Trump — and deep anger at the Democratic Party — pervade the groups.
www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com
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Quotes like this make no sense to me: “President Trump, he continuously came and he was in the community. While I don’t believe that he’s going to enact policies that will benefit the community, he at least showed that he was willing to show up for the community,” Misner said.

If you don't believe his policies will benefit the community, does it really matter if he stops by?
 
TarSpiel said:
Yes, Muslims in general are more critical of our reflexive pro-Israel stance on a whole bunch of issues.
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What you call a pro-Israel stance, many would call anti-terrorist stance.
Why do you think that Muslims who oppose our policies in the region are "terrorist sympathizers"? You can be 1000% opposed to Likud and not be a "terrorist sympathizer".
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I specifically differentiated between Muslims and Jihadist/terrorist sympathizers because I don't believe all Muslims, even those who want Israel wiped off the Earth, automatically support Jihadism and terrorism.
 
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