Why Did Republicans Abandon Conservatism?

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ZenMode said:
Without having a link there is a 99% chance that this is just based solely on total wages earned, divided by total workers. That doesn't account for any variables which in this case a extremely important.
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But, there are more men working, so wouldn't a simple total wage divided by number of men/women skew the numbers to make the gap smaller?
 
ZenMode said:
∆∆∆ In other words ∆∆∆∆

Yes, there is a gender pay gap and it exists because, surprise!, genders are different in ways that directly impact their wage earning ability, not because

@superrific

So, yes, you were right. There is a gender pay gap....and it's perfectly explainable and understandable given difference between men and women and their choices/roles.
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You're framing it like we're comparing pay differences between a CEO and some working at McDonald's.

Yes there are variables, but I've read articles comparing equal positions where women make less.

Also, why should women be punished for having and taking care of children?

So many other countries actually are prolife and it is evident in their policies toward new mothers, fathers, and children.
 
UNCatTech said:
You're framing it like we're comparing pay differences between a CEO and some working at McDonald's.

Yes there are variables, but I've read articles comparing equal positions where women make less.
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Do female professional basketball players make less than male professional basketball players and is there an issue with that?

Also, why should women be punished for having and taking care of children?

So many other countries actually are prolife and it is evident in their policies toward new mothers, fathers, and children.
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Nobody is being punished. Everyone has to make their own life choices. Like I mentioned earlier, there are incredibly smart people in sales roles at the company I work for. They have been offered promotions and have turned them down. They turn them down because all that they want is an 8-4 job that, when it's done, they can walk out the door and not give it a second, third or fourth thought until the next morning. They are sacrificing promotions and higher pay for something that they want. No one is being punished.

My wife tried to go back to teaching a couple months after our first child was born. She would drop our daughter off at the babysitter's and then go cry in her car because she wanted to be the one to raise her. So she quit working to do what she truly wanted to do, which was raise our kids.

She wasn't being punished. She made a choice to stop working for what ended up being a decade.
 
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ZenMode said:
Do female professional basketball players make less than male professional basketball players and is there an issue with that?



Nobody is being punished. Everyone has to make their own life choices. Like I mentioned earlier, there are incredibly smart people in sales roles at the company I work for. They have been offered promotions and have turned them down. They turn them down because all that they want is an 8-4 job that, when it's done, they can walk out the door and not give it a second, third or fourth thought until the next morning. They are sacrificing promotions and higher pay for something that they want. No one is being punished.

My wife tried to go back to teaching a couple months after our first child was born. She would drop our daughter off at the babysitter's and then go cry in her car because she wanted to be the one to raise her. So she quit working to do what she truly wanted to do, which was raise our kids.

She wasn't being punished. She made a choice to stop working for what ended up being a decade.
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No, in this country the possibility of pregnancy is often held against women in hiring practices. That's punishment for being a woman. It isn't the same as choosing to stay home with a child.

And in regards to you're families choice, I commend you. My family made the same choice and it was well worth it.
 
UNCatTech said:
No, in this country the possibility of pregnancy is often held against women in hiring practices. That's punishment for being a woman. It isn't the same as choosing to stay home with a child.

And in regards to you're families choice, I commend you. My family made the same choice and it was well worth it.
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It may be held against women to, I'm guessing, a small degree.

There is another side to this. I work for a big worldwide company. In the last 10-ish years, in the relatively small circle of people I interact with there have been two times when women have gotten pregnant within 1-3 months of being hired and getting benefits.
 
ZenMode said:
Do female professional basketball players make less than male professional basketball players and is there an issue with that?



Nobody is being punished. Everyone has to make their own life choices. Like I mentioned earlier, there are incredibly smart people in sales roles at the company I work for. They have been offered promotions and have turned them down. They turn them down because all that they want is an 8-4 job that, when it's done, they can walk out the door and not give it a second, third or fourth thought until the next morning. They are sacrificing promotions and higher pay for something that they want. No one is being punished.

My wife tried to go back to teaching a couple months after our first child was born. She would drop our daughter off at the babysitter's and then go cry in her car because she wanted to be the one to raise her. So she quit working to do what she truly wanted to do, which was raise our kids.

She wasn't being punished. She made a choice to stop working for what ended up being a decade.
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The reason WNBA players make a lot less than NBA players is because of revenue generation. For every dollar the NBA generates, the WNBA generates less than 2 cents.
 
ZenMode said:
It may be held against women to, I'm guessing, a small degree.

There is another side to this. I work for a big worldwide company. In the last 10-ish years, in the relatively small circle of people I interact with there have been two times when women have gotten pregnant within 1-3 months of being hired and getting benefits.
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Or course, that was a diabolical plot because birth control never fails.
 
Patb78 said:
The reason WNBA players make a lot less than NBA players is because of revenue generation. For every dollar the NBA generates, the WNBA generates less than 2 cents.
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Exactly. So, while males and females may both technically have CFO and CEO jobs, that doesn't mean they're all paying the same or even should be paying the same because there's a huge gap difference between being the CEO of Amazon and the CEO of a random, barely known company.
 
ZenMode said:
Exactly. So, while males and females may both technically have CFO and CEO jobs, that doesn't mean they're all paying the same or even should be paying the same because there's a huge gap difference between being the CEO of Amazon and the CEO of a random, barely known company.
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It would apply to say being the General Manager of a division within a company. If a woman is GM for division one and a man for division two and the woman’s division does better she should make more. Maybe the base salaries are the same, but she would be better compensated when it comes to a yearly bonus for example.
 
ZenMode said:
Nice straw man. It could also be that benefits kick in when you are hired.
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Even if the woman took the job so she would have maternity coverage for a planned pregnancy, why would that be a bad thing? I’m not aware of many companies that would see it as a bad thing, as long the woman is qualified to do the job for which she was hired.
 
ZenMode said:
Nice straw man. It could also be that benefits kick in when you are hired.
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Of course it could. You're not ever going to find me defending the goodness and selflessness of human. I've known way to many of them. You are the one that made the blanket implication that those benefits were the main reason. That's stupid for so many reasons. However, it would be a waste of time to explain them to you because you don't care and don't listen. So, I went with the one liner.
 
finesse said:
Of course it could. You're not ever going to find me defending the goodness and selflessness of human. I've known way to many of them. You are the one that made the blanket implication that those benefits were the main reason. That's stupid for so many reasons. However, it would be a waste of time to explain them to you because you don't care and don't listen. So, I went with the one liner.
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I didn't say anything about "main reason". I'm fact, I did say that it only happened twice in a decade and a LOT of women have come and gone during that time.
 
Patb78 said:
It would apply to say being the General Manager of a division within a company. If a woman is GM for division one and a man for division two and the woman’s division does better she should make more. Maybe the base salaries are the same, but she would be better compensated when it comes to a yearly bonus for example.
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That would make sense, but bonuses aren't always performance based or, if they are, it could be based on a percentage of salary or any other variables.

I do know that the data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics is not diving anywhere close to that deep and I've never seen a broad study that gets that in depth.
 
rodoheel said:
It would actually be great if that were true, but the problem runs way deeper than Trump personally.
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Correct.

JD Vance is meeting with the modern iteration of the German Nazi party. US government platform was written by an anti-democratic, white-christonationalist organization. Techtheocrats are actively undermining world financial systems, to consolidate unprecedented financial power within 1% of 1% of 1% of the population.

These malignancies have allied to effectively create a steadily conglomerating body of anti-social malevolence, supported by millions of populists with too little knowledge and too much hate to see the impending crumbling. This is an overthrow of the US constitutional order (i.e. death of the US), with aims at a global autocratic hegemony, and they have the biggest guns. I'm reading up on resistance movements, and psychologically preparing myself for a life no longer defined by the cycle of growth, education, career/social contribution, retirement, enjoy the spoils, death.
 
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