2024 Pre-Election Political Polls | POLL - Trump would have had 7 point lead over Biden

[superrific]

Out of curiosity, why would no one outside of MAGA consider it legitimate if the House decided a 269-269 election?

1. As Snoop said, it's because NE Pubs would have rigged the game just to get Trump to that point.
2. Because it's an incredibly stupid way to choose a president. The EC is bad enough. But this idiotic plan gives each state equal voice, which is ludicrous and ridiculous.
3. Just because they thought it was a good idea to do it that way in 1800 doesn't mean it's remotely a good idea. And because our constitution is comically difficult to amend, especially today, we're stuck with a judgment from two centuries ago that didn't make any sense even then and definitely doesn't make any sense now.
Indeed, I don't know the 12th Amendment history, but my guess is that small states used the ludicrous amendment process to extract this concession.

 

[superrific]

I don’t think it’s “illegitimate” per se, as that’s what the constitution calls for. However, I find it weird/stupid that the vote is by state delegation rather than how every other vote the House does is taken (one vote per rep).

There are lots of meanings of the word "legitimate." Following the law is only one of them. I mean, in theory, Nebraska could just have the legislators appoint all the electors without regard to the popular vote. So too could NC. That would be lawful but would clearly deprive the country of any political or democratic legitimacy and in that circumstance, we'd be looking at a choice between revolution or oppression.

 

[Bigs23]

agree

Comey

 

[aGDevil2k]

Another difference.... We lived thru 2016

So now there is no over confidence. There's some fear but people won't rest.

 

[finesse]

Are we having an Edmund Ross moment in Nebraska?

 

[CallMeTyler]

Another difference.... We lived thru 2016

So now there is no over confidence. There's some fear but people won't rest.

I have faith that women voters will save us.

Tocqueville: "If one asked me to what do I think one must principally attribute the singular prosperity and growing force of this people, I would answer that it is to the superiority of its women."

 

[nycfan]

A tie in Rasmussen in PA is good news for Harris.

 

[aGDevil2k]

A tie in Rasmussen in PA is good news for Harris.

Absolutely is

Rasmussen a decade ago was right leaning

Now they are off the deep end, in the pocket of Trump

 

[nycfan]

Red(wave)field Wilton

 

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[nycfan]

This data predates the Nude Africa scandal.

 

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[Bigs23]

Red(wave)field Wilton

Those are good Harris numbers.

 

[uncjhodges]

Those are good Harris numbers.

Is Redfield Wilton really red leaning?
It’s interesting if so that these red leaning pollsters are rarely even showing trump leads in important swing states. His behavior indicates his internal polling may be worse

 

[nycfan]

This strategy is used to some extent by both sides but does seem prevalent on the Trump side at the moment. In the past, really favorable internal polling has a way of getting “leaked”.

 

[heelinhell]

Absolutely is

Rasmussen a decade ago was right leaning

Now they are off the deep end, in the pocket of Trump

Whenever I see a Rasmussen I add 2pts to the Dem and subtract 2 pts from the GQPer