2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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hedge said:
This may be a semantic/pedantic questions, but if the majority of Americans believe something doesn't that mean that the issues they believe in are the center? That's kind of a scary thought considering what so many maga voters (although hopefully they don't constitute a majority of all voters) believe...
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In a word, "no".

If a majority of Americans believe that something should happen, it makes it popular but it doesn't make it inherently "in the center".

If the 95% of Americans supported a full-on christian nationalist theocracy it wouldn't make such a form of government centrist. It would make it popular, but it would continue to be extremist. It was be just as "extremist but not centrist" if 95% of Americans supported becoming an atheist communist authoritarian country, as well.

The "center" is roughly the area closest to the middle between the far poles of potential solutions with all solutions lying on a continuum between the two far poles.

Now, it is true that most people, including a lot of extremists, tend to think of their own views as being near the middle, but that's more of a perception problem than an issue of defining what is actually in the center.
 


Closer still to no taxes on anything

Trump [describes “very knowledgeable man” about the auto industry who he won’t name so as not to embarrass him] “he said where did you come up with that idea? That’s like the coolest thhh, it’s like the paper clip … somebody came up with the paper clip and everybody else says why the hell didn’t I think of that … but he said, gee, I’ve been in the car industry all my life and I never thought about that”
 
nycfan said:
Trump [describes “very knowledgeable man” about the auto industry who he won’t name so as not to embarrass him] “he said where did you come up with that idea? That’s like the coolest thhh, it’s like the paper clip … somebody came up with the paper clip and everybody else says why the hell didn’t I think of that … but he said, gee, I’ve been in the car industry all my life and I never thought about that”
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Who's going to tell him that banks would just raise interest rates and rake in more $$ because this will not appreciably increase the supply of cars, but will appreciably increase the demand for car loans? Oh who am I kidding, as if he cares.
 
nycfan said:


Closer still to no taxes on anything

Trump [describes “very knowledgeable man” about the auto industry who he won’t name so as not to embarrass him] “he said where did you come up with that idea? That’s like the coolest thhh, it’s like the paper clip … somebody came up with the paper clip and everybody else says why the hell didn’t I think of that … but he said, gee, I’ve been in the car industry all my life and I never thought about that”
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If he promises no taxes on RMDs and Roth IRA conversions I may have to join HeelYeah and vote for Trump...
 
SnoopRob said:
But he's not really saying it to be heard by folks in Detroit. He knows he's not winning Detroit. He's saying it to folks around the country who see Detroit as an urban hellscape.
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This, exactly. Except not really around the country. I mean, that's an added bonus, but the primary audience is the Detroit suburbs. It's also code, of course, for Kamala being black.
 
SnoopRob said:
But he's not really saying it to be heard by folks in Detroit. He knows he's not winning Detroit. He's saying it to folks around the country who see Detroit as an urban hellscape.
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True, but he’s trying to win Michigan. Firing up the opposition in the biggest city in the state to get out and vote against you is probably not a great strategy.
 
WaynetheDrain said:
True, but he’s trying to win Michigan. Firing up the opposition in the biggest city in the state to get out and vote against you is probably not a great strategy.
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I could be wrong, but I think politics in Michigan is the same as in Missouri, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, etc. The way to win the state as a Republican is to run against the black people in the cities. They try to make everything into Detroit, Cleveland, Philly, etc. because they know those words mean "black." I'm confident that Trump will lose few votes in Michigan with that comment. Will it spur black people in Detroit to turn out? I doubt it.
 
nycfan said:


Closer still to no taxes on anything

Trump [describes “very knowledgeable man” about the auto industry who he won’t name so as not to embarrass him] “he said where did you come up with that idea? That’s like the coolest thhh, it’s like the paper clip … somebody came up with the paper clip and everybody else says why the hell didn’t I think of that … but he said, gee, I’ve been in the car industry all my life and I never thought about that”
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This is yuge for all the millions and millions of people in the venn diagram overlap of "spends large percentage of income on car loan interest" and "itemizes deductions". Sounds like it will revolutionize the auto industry.
 
05C40 said:
In 2008, I voted early because between the start of early voting and election day, I was undergoing an operation that had a 10-day survival rate that not nearly as high as I would have liked. I was really bummed when I found out that the election folks actually check to determine if early voters survived until election day. But I did survive, and on Election night my brother and I stayed up until around 4 am, despite the election have been called for Obama earlier. We were staying up to see in Obama would carry NC. HE DID!
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I remember Chris Rock saying about that election.” George Bush has fucked up so bad he’s made it impossible for a white msn team get elected.”
 
nycfan said:


Closer still to no taxes on anything

Trump [describes “very knowledgeable man” about the auto industry who he won’t name so as not to embarrass him] “he said where did you come up with that idea? That’s like the coolest thhh, it’s like the paper clip … somebody came up with the paper clip and everybody else says why the hell didn’t I think of that … but he said, gee, I’ve been in the car industry all my life and I never thought about that”
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When is he going to promise us a second recess period and a second soda machine in the cafeteria?
 
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