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2024 Presidential Election | ELECTION DAY 2024

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finesse said:
I still believe the more they focus on it, the more attention it will draw to their own hypocrisy. I really don't care about the voters we lose over this. I expect to gain more. If the truth be known, anybody who can be chased off by this remark in context of the campaign that has been waged by the victims can KMA and go somewhere else.
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Yeah see I just fundamentally disagree with that last sentence. Any voter "chased away" (or more likely chased to the polls to vote for Trump) at this stage by an unforced error is a problem. I'm not concerned with morals at this point. I'm solely concerned with winning the election. I will happily join in your sentiment that anyone "who can be chased off by this remark in context of the campaign that has been waged by the victims" is a fool and worthy of contempt, but a lost vote is a lost vote. I don't care about a damn thing other than winning right now. The goal is to turn out every single vote possible for Harris and not aid the Trump campaign in turning out a single vote for their candidate. We can do all the scorning of MAGA we want after the election.
 
UNCatTech said:
Post the address.

I'll be wearing Tar Heel and Kamala regalia. 😁
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CFordUNC said:
Trump: “Kamala Harris is a nasty, dumb, low IQ skank who blew her way to the top and has pimp handlers and she’s really not even Black. I also think that Hitler did good things, immigrants have dirty genes and are poisoning our country, liberals are human vermin and are the enemy within on whom I plan to sic the American military when I win. And no, I absolutely will not denounce the hateful Nazi rhetoric from my MSG rally the other night because there were many fine Nazis on both sides and besides I agree with them.”

Biden: “Trump supporters are garbage.”

Republicans:

Sad Anthony Anderson GIF
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I'm gonna steal this. haha
 
CFordUNC said:
We can make a trade with the Trump campaign. We’ll take all of the people offended by Trump calling America a garbage can, or Trump admiring Hitler, or Trump openly fellating foreign adversaries and dictators daily, or Trump calling immigrants vermin, or Trump being an accused pedophilic pussy grabbing braggart, or Trump bragging about being the reason Roe was reversed, or Trump bragging about ending Obamacare.

The Trump campaign can take all of the people offended by Biden’s gaffe about Trump supoorters being garbage.

We’ll take that trade and win the EC by 100.
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You are basically making my point for me. The point is we didn't need to make a trade at all. Everyone in your first paragraph was already voting for Harris! Even if the "trade" is 10 million people in the first bucket and 100 in the second, it's still 100 votes that didn't need to be lost.

This should not be a controversial statement: an unforced error by the Dem campaign that causes the campaign to divert even one second of attention and effort at this stage of the campaign is a bad thing. We can dispute all we want how impactful of a bad thing it will be and never convince each other because there will be no way to prove it. It could be that this bad thing ultimately doesn't matter. But I don't think it's helpful or reasonable to try to pretend that it literally doesn't matter at all.
 
CallMeTyler said:
When does it become politically correct to start lancing the MAGA boil? I'm ready to be a shithead to the shitheads.
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I don't know what the right answer is, but the right time obviously isn't the week before the election. And I'm not convinced "being a shithead to the shitheads" is the way to "lance the MAGA boil" anyway, even though it would make all of us feel better.
 
rodoheel said:
You are basically making my point for me. The point is we didn't need to make a trade at all. Everyone in your first paragraph was already voting for Harris! Even if the "trade" is 10 million people in the first bucket and 100 in the second, it's still 100 votes that didn't need to be lost.

This should not be a controversial statement: an unforced error by the Dem campaign that causes the campaign to divert even one second of attention and effort at this stage of the campaign is a bad thing. We can dispute all we want how impactful of a bad thing it will be and never convince each other because there will be no way to prove it. It could be that this bad thing ultimately doesn't matter. But I don't think it's helpful or reasonable to try to pretend that it literally doesn't matter at all.
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I take your contention to be that “this is a bad thing that could cost Harris the election” and my contention is “this is a dumb thing that ultimately won’t even be remembered a day from now, and isn’t going to be some impetus that prevents the Democrats from successfully closing what has already been a successful campaign, no matter how loudly MAGA Twitter screams and cries or how much Democratic Twitter hyperventilates with anxiety.”
 
rodoheel said:
I don't know what the right answer is, but the right time obviously isn't the week before the election. And I'm not convinced "being a shithead to the shitheads" is the way to "lance the MAGA boil" anyway, even though it would make all of us feel better.
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Step away from the ledge, do some breathing exercises, and then return to this thread. Harping on Biden's comment is going to accomplish nothing. You've made your point. Some agree, and some disagree. But I think that most would agree that your concern over the comment has run its course.
 
CFordUNC said:
I take your contention to be that “this is a bad thing that could cost Harris the election” and my contention is “this is a dumb thing that ultimately won’t even be remembered a day from now, and isn’t going to be some impetus that prevents the Democrats from successfully closing what has already been a successful campaign, no matter how loudly MAGA Twitter screams and cries or how much Democratic Twitter hyperventilates with anxiety.”
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To be more precise, my contention is that "this is a bad thing that reduces Harris's chances of winning the election, with no way to know by what amount."

And candidly I don't know what you mean by saying that this "has already been a successful campaign." This will have been a successful campaign if Harris wins the election, whether by the narrowest of margins or the largest. if Harris loses it is a 100% unsuccessful campaign and nothing else that happened matters. It's a business of purely binary outcomes.
 
CFordUNC said:
If we lose this election because an old man who isn’t even on the ticket made a verbal gaffe on a Zoom call, we were never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place.
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I think I understand what you're intending but that statement is literally contradictory. By definition if Kamala was "never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place" then we didn't lose it "because" of what Biden said.

We can stop talking about this now. I agree with the other poster that me continuing to try to explain my opinion here isn't productive.
 
MAGAs hear from their dumb sources how easy the democrats have made it to commit voter fraud, so they think they can get away with it, too.
It’s akin to the dumbasses who got arrested after declaring themselves transgender and walking into women’s restrooms.
 
The last 24-48 hours has shown everyone that the main reason Americans can’t come together is because of the media.

A comedian tells a joke that doesn’t do well and is mainly booed. Trump disavows the next day. Endless coverage of how this shows he is racist. There are plenty of examples of his racism. That is not one of them.

The president gets spun up about the remark and says oh yeah? Only trash thing is those guys! He immediately wishes he hadn’t said it. Endless coverage of how this show the Democrats hate Republicans.

We are kind of screwed because the country won’t ever get a timeout as long as the media does this and there’s no incentive to stop.
 
rodoheel said:
I don't know what the right answer is, but the right time obviously isn't the week before the election. And I'm not convinced "being a shithead to the shitheads" is the way to "lance the MAGA boil" anyway, even though it would make all of us feel better.
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Let's be clear. There is nothing wrong with what Biden said. Even as misconstrued, it's accurate. I absolutely do not believe that stifling the truth is the right thing to do. I do not believe that will cost any significant votes that will not be more than made up as Republicans continue to expose their blatant hypocrisy. We've rolled over enough accepting their lies instead of making them back them up. If people can't see the clear distinction and we lose over this, I just don't care. We'll deserve to go to hell. We're never going to be worth a damn catering to abject stupidity.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
The last 24-48 hours has shown everyone that the main reason Americans can’t come together is because of the media.

A comedian tells a joke that doesn’t do well and is mainly booed. Trump disavows the next day. Endless coverage of how this shows he is racist. There are plenty of examples of his racism. That is not one of them.

The president gets spun up about the remark and says oh yeah? Only trash thing is those guys! He immediately wishes he hadn’t said it. Endless coverage of how this show the Democrats hate Republicans.

We are kind of screwed because the country won’t ever get a timeout as long as the media does this and there’s no incentive to stop.
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I don't believe Trump has disavowed the comment yet, no?
 
rodoheel said:
I think I understand what you're intending but that statement is literally contradictory. By definition if Kamala was "never, ever, ever winning this election at any point in the first place" then we didn't lose it "because" of what Biden said.

We can stop talking about this now. I agree with the other poster that me continuing to try to explain my opinion here isn't productive.
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All good, man. I think we are probably talking past one another at this point. I don’t think your viewpoint is invalid or anything- I just don’t happen to agree with it. But I know that we want the exact same thing as it pertains to this election, and that’s good enough for me.
 
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