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[Bigs23]

If he did miss it this year and didn't resign, do you think he should be fired?

Not this year, no.

 

[BillOfRights]

That's a fair question but how many of them did we win? I'm not sure making adjustments after you've let the team get down 20 and you're desperate means much.

You said Davis didn't make in-game adjustments. We have all seen multiple examples of significant in-game adjustments this season. Get real.

 

[donbosco]

History’s a real bitch.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I have no real opinion worth caring about re: Hubert, but it should be noted that Dean was an exception. Most of the time, the coaches who find themselves on the hot seat in year 4 do not succeed. That it worked out for us once doesn't mean it will work out again, and there's no real nexus between Dean's situation and Hubert's.

Thank you for repeating this. I cannot understand the folks that say "Dean had no experience and look what he did," or "Roy had no experience and look what he did." As if, two incredibly rare instances are the rule.

 

[stankeylegjones]

Not this year, no.

There's no one in college basketball that you would take after this year to replace HD?

If Bubba fired him after this year, would you criticize Bubba?

 

[SnoopRob]

It’s also not your job to fire Coach Davis but you riff on that pretty freely!

As I've said before, it doesn't take an engineer to know there's a problem when the building's falling down.

I don't have sufficient inside knowledge to know exactly who Carolina could/would get as a replacement for Hubert, but I can certainly tell you the "building" of Carolina Basketball is having significant issues staying upright.

I can also tell you how I think Bubba should approach a potential opening, if that helps you.

He should put together a list of the absolute best coaches in CBB who meet all other minimum standards for the job (read: ethical & personal concerns). Through back channels, determine who, if any, of them would consider coming to Carolina and if there's a realistic chance of a hire from one or more of this group. If so, negotiate and hopefully bring one of them on board. However, I freely admit that there might not be anyone from this group that would take the job in the end.

If the position is still unfilled, then you go to the list of coaches who have shown that they can lead a program to consistent success commensurate to the program's historical level of play & that has at least semi-regularly gone beyond that level and, again, that meet all other minimum standards for the job (again, read: ethical and personal concerns). Through back channels reach out to the coaches at the top of this list and continue on until you're able to hire one of them. Carolina should and would be very likely able to hire from near the top of this list and would almost certainly be able to get an accomplished coach to Chapel Hill.

 

[LosPollosHermanos]

You said Davis didn't make in-game adjustments. We have all seen multiple examples of significant in-game adjustments this season. Get real.

Dude I am real. And adjustments when the game is already gone is no sign of coaching ability. It means he gave up on his original plan way too late. We made a nice run against Kansas. We lost. Again my question is how many of those games where he supposedly made adjustments did we win? Did we make a single adjustment tonight playing the worst P4 team we have played all season?

 

[Bigs23]

As I've said before, it doesn't take an engineer to know there's a problem when the building's falling down.

I don't have sufficient inside knowledge to know exactly who Carolina could/would get as a replacement for Hubert, but I can certainly tell you the "building" of Carolina Basketball is having significant issues staying upright.

I can also tell you how I think Bubba should approach a potential opening, if that helps you.

He should put together a list of the absolute best coaches in CBB who meet all other minimum standards for the job (read: ethical & personal concerns). Through back channels, determine who, if any, of them would consider coming to Carolina and if there's a realistic chance of a hire from one or more of this group. If so, negotiate and hopefully bring one of them on board. However, I freely admit that there might not be anyone from this group that would take the job in the end.

If the position is still unfilled, then you go to the list of coaches who have shown that they can lead a program to consistent success commensurate to the program's historical level of play & that has at least semi-regularly gone beyond that level and, again, that meet all other minimum standards for the job (again, read: ethical and personal concerns). Through back channels reach out to the coaches at the top of this list and continue on until you're able to hire one of them. Carolina should and would be very likely able to hire from near the top of this list and would almost certainly be able to get an accomplished coach to Chapel Hill.

You’re making assumptions that you’ve got it all figured out. Regardless of your analogies that’s not necessarily the case.

 

[Bigs23]

There's no one in college basketball that you would take after this year to replace HD?

If Bubba fired him after this year, would you criticize Bubba?

I don’t think Hubert should be fired at the end of this season and I highly doubt that he will be.

 

[SnoopRob]

Both Roy and Dean had great success as a pressure cooker head coach based solely on the experience they gained as a UNC assistant coach.

I think it may skew the view of some Carolina fans that we've had a front row seat to not only two of the greatest coaches in CBB history, but also two who took outlier paths to even reasonable success as college coaches. The far more consistent path to the top of the CBB coaching ladder is to start as a HC at a smaller school and show success (and possibly need to get hired at a larger school and again show success) and then get the opportunity to coach at the higher levels of CBB where you build not only a successful team or two but a lasting successful program.

 

[stankeylegjones]

I don’t think Hubert should be fired at the end of this season and I highly doubt that he will be.

I understand that. Will you answer my questions now?

There's no one in college basketball that you would take after this year to replace HD?

If Bubba fired him after this year, would you criticize Bubba?

 

[Calheel]

You're entirely correct in your last sentence.

However, very similar circumstances of very mediocre performance in Year 4 are faced by a number of coaches on an annual basis. Of the ones who are allowed to continue to Year 5, very few of them turn their programs around to have a great deal of success and far, far fewer of them go on to the kind of success that Dean Smith had starting just a couple of seasons later. Dean's turnaround of the program is a "winning the lottery" level of statistical probability.

In short, using Dean's success as a reason to keep Hubert is the equivalent of taking all the money you have in the bank and using it to play the lottery because you read a story in the paper about someone who won a substantial sum using their last few dollars. There's a possibility that the same might happen to you, but it's statistically very, very unlikely.

Super already made the same point and I already responded to it. Gotta be quicker on the draw.

 

[superrific]

Thank you for repeating this. I cannot understand the folks that say "Dean had no experience and look what he did," or "Roy had no experience and look what he did." As if, two incredibly rare instances are the rule.

Before Roy, there was Eddie Fogler, another guy with no experience and look what he did.

But don't take my comments here as agreeing with you on anything else. I don't have an opinion about Hubert as a coach and I don't want to.

 

[Calheel]

I think it may skew the view of some Carolina fans that we've had a front row seat to not only two of the greatest coaches in CBB history, but also two who took outlier paths to even reasonable success as college coaches. The far more consistent path to the top of the CBB coaching ladder is to start as a HC at a smaller school and show success (and possibly need to get hired at a larger school and again show success) and then get the opportunity to coach at the higher levels of CBB where you build not only a successful team or two but a lasting successful program.

Like Larry Fedora?

Mac TTP analysis showed promoting an assistant from a successful program had the highest hit rate in cfb (although all possible routes are basically a crapshoot).

Hiring an up and comer could work. But it is no better odds than hiring an assistant.

 

[Bigs23]

I understand that. Will you answer my questions now?

There's no one in college basketball that you would take after this year to replace HD?

If Bubba fired him after this year, would you criticize Bubba?

The problem is you’d have to fire Hubert first, so no.

 

[stankeylegjones]

The problem is you’d have to fire Hubert first, so no.

And if Bubba did, would you criticize him for firing him?

 

[Bigs23]

Thank you for repeating this. I cannot understand the folks that say "Dean had no experience and look what he did," or "Roy had no experience and look what he did." As if, two incredibly rare instances are the rule.

Jay Wright was 13 games under .500 his first 4 years of coaching.

Bill Self was 1 game over .500 his first 4 years.

 

[SnoopRob]

You’re making assumptions that you’ve got it all figured out. Regardless of your analogies that’s not necessarily the case.

I don't think I have it all figured out, but you act like I have to have every possible answer, including unknowable future events, all nailed down before my opinion can be considered valid. I've very freely said that I don't have all the answers but that it's clear there are major problems that need to be addressed.

My opinion takes into account pretty much all the available public info that's out there. If there's something going on within the program that's not publicly known, I wouldn't be able to take that into account. Perhaps we're not only outside the top 10 in NIL funding for CBB, we're actually outside the top 25 or 50. That would be a major issue that wouldn't be publicly available, but would be a bigger issue than the HC. Or perhaps there's a major issue going on with the program that simply isn't public knowledge. If that's the case, that would also be a bigger issue than the HC.

But unless there is something very, very significant going on behind the scenes that isn't public knowledge, then the biggest change that Carolina can make to the basketball program to address its currently deficiencies is to replace the head coach. And that's based on a great deal of very well known facts and observable data.

As opposed to your opinion, which seems to boil down to that we should keep Hubert because he's a swell guy and no one can guarantee the success of a future hire.

 

[Bigs23]

I don't think I have it all figured out, but you act like I have to have every possible answer, including unknowable future events, all nailed down before my opinion can be considered valid. I've very freely said that I don't have all the answers but that it's clear there are major problems that need to be addressed.

My opinion takes into account pretty much all the available public info that's out there. If there's something going on within the program that's not publicly known, I wouldn't be able to take that into account. Perhaps we're not only outside the top 10 in NIL funding for CBB, we're actually outside the top 25 or 50. That would be a major issue that wouldn't be publicly available, but would be a bigger issue than the HC. Or perhaps there's a major issue going on with the program that simply isn't public knowledge. If that's the case, that would also be a bigger issue than the HC.

But unless there is something very, very significant going on behind the scenes that isn't public knowledge, then the biggest change that Carolina can make to the basketball program to address its currently deficiencies is to replace the head coach. And that's based on a great deal of very well known facts and observable data.

As opposed to your opinion, which seems to boil down to that we should keep Hubert because he's a swell guy and no one can guarantee the success of a future hire.

Name the bad coaches who have done all of the following:

• Coached in a national title game
• Won the regular season title in a P5 conference
• Been COY of a P5 conference
• Won 70% of their games
• Won 71% of their conference games

 

[SnoopRob]

Super already made the same point and I already responded to it. Gotta be quicker on the draw.

My bad, bro.

I'll try to do better next time.