EXIT POLLS & TURNOUT DATA - The Red Shift

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aGDevil2k said:
I get it. The people in this country that dont pay attention to politics dont. We arent going to win the Christian Evangelicals...eff them. Go after pocketbook folks, preach individual freedom and social safety nets and DONE

Agree on stop talking about raising taxes on rich folks. just do it. only talk about lowering taxes when you talk taxation
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rodoheel said:
It is definitely important to have the right message, but it will also depend on being able to demonstrate that Republican policy isn’t working. If the public perceived that the Trump economy is successful I doubt it will much matter what the Dem message is. Republicans lose the electorate when the electorate sees the failure of Republican policy (see 1992, 2008). If the public believes Republican policy is working, nothing will matter.
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Unless our modern world is simply anti-incumbent then Dems need a way to "bring receipts" and a way to put those receipts into the faces of the working class.
 
aGDevil2k said:
I get it. The people in this country that dont pay attention to politics dont. We arent going to win the Christian Evangelicals...eff them. Go after pocketbook folks, preach individual freedom and social safety nets and DONE

Agree on stop talking about raising taxes on rich folks. just do it. only talk about lowering taxes when you talk taxation
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I think evangelicals are like most of the electorate. They place more emphasis on their pocketbook than their faith. It's convenient to wrap that into one package. Which Republicans have done. We all know Trump is no Christian, he just plays one on TV. They go along with it, effectively turning a blind eye to his deplorable behavior, because they believe they will be better off financially. Democrats know that's not the case, but when you have media conglomerates like Fox News and the NY Post dominating their news cycle. As well as alternative media creating a false narrative, it becomes almost impossible to cut through the noise.
 
aGDevil2k said:
I get it. The people in this country that dont pay attention to politics dont. We arent going to win the Christian Evangelicals...eff them. Go after pocketbook folks, preach individual freedom and social safety nets and DONE

Agree on stop talking about raising taxes on rich folks. just do it. only talk about lowering taxes when you talk taxation
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Disagree on evangelicals. I am what you would probably call an evangelical and I go to a church that is pretty evangelical but its focus is helping people and standing out in the world. It is not shaming and turning backs on people. Most conversations I have with people are tied to - we are more aligned with the Democrats because the Christians and other people of faith aren’t doing what they should be doing on supporting people with needs. If those groups did, we would be better off supporting a more hands off approach. If the Democrats were open to people that were more pro-life (not saying that they have to change high level but just understand some are pro-life) then the overwhelming majority at my church would be all democrats. Now I go to a huge church in Wake County so I understand that’s Democrats area anyway.
 
dukeman92 said:
I think evangelicals are like most of the electorate. They place more emphasis on their pocketbook than their faith. It's convenient to wrap that into one package. Which Republicans have done. We all know Trump is no Christian, he just plays one on TV. They go along with it, effectively turning a blind eye to his deplorable behavior, because they believe they will be better off financially. Democrats know that's not the case, but when you have media conglomerates like Fox News and the NY Post dominating their news cycle. As well as alternative media creating a false narrative, it becomes almost impossible to cut through the noise.
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Christians that trust Trump trust Trump because Trump will defend them publicly. It’s not the pocketbook reason. They view it as he is deplorable in his behavior but he does what we need him to do and won’t shy away from a culture fight.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Disagree on evangelicals. I am what you would probably call an evangelical and I go to a church that is pretty evangelical but its focus is helping people and standing out in the world. It is not shaming and turning backs on people. Most conversations I have with people are tied to - we are more aligned with the Democrats because the Christians and other people of faith aren’t doing what they should be doing on supporting people with needs. If those groups did, we would be better off supporting a more hands off approach. If the Democrats were open to people that were more pro-life (not saying that they have to change high level but just understand some are pro-life) then the overwhelming majority at my church would be all democrats. Now I go to a huge church in Wake County so I understand that’s Democrats area anyway.
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Good comments
Note several of the Reddest of Red States voted in Right to Abortion.......
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Christians that trust Trump trust Trump because Trump will defend them publicly. It’s not the pocketbook reason. They view it as he is deplorable in his behavior but he does what we need him to do and won’t shy away from a culture fight.
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Christians vote for Trump because of their pocketbook and their hypocrisy. The end.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Disagree on evangelicals. I am what you would probably call an evangelical and I go to a church that is pretty evangelical but its focus is helping people and standing out in the world. It is not shaming and turning backs on people. Most conversations I have with people are tied to - we are more aligned with the Democrats because the Christians and other people of faith aren’t doing what they should be doing on supporting people with needs. If those groups did, we would be better off supporting a more hands off approach. If the Democrats were open to people that were more pro-life (not saying that they have to change high level but just understand some are pro-life) then the overwhelming majority at my church would be all democrats. Now I go to a huge church in Wake County so I understand that’s Democrats area anyway.
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I wouldnt call that modern evangelical. I am talking about the folks that want bibles in schools, ban gay marriage, etc etc
 
gregh1 said:
Missouri approved weed, sports-betting, abortion access and has increased min wage twice - sounds progressive yeah? But it was Trump 58-40. I think the Venn diagrams all point to pocket-book (and anti-incumbent) as the primary factor.
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Racism -- especially in Missouri -- is the explanation. But I guess people want to ignore everything that happened during the campaign and American politics generally.

Look at the messaging that most resonated with Trump's people: the US is being invaded by migrants. Dark skinned migrants. That was the single unifying theme of the entire thing. That, and gender roles. Childless cat ladies. Men in women's sports. Trad wives. So on and so forth.

Trump wasn't even talking about tariffs so much until he got shot, at which point he decided that only consequential presidents get shot, and then faced with the fact that McKinley was shot, he made up a story in which McKinley was one of our greatest presidents.

It appears we're back to 2017. Let's go out into Trump country and find these people who voted for him and try to understand how their economic worries led them to embrace a man claiming that Venezuelan gangs were taking over towns all over the Midwest. Or we could just believe them when they showed us who they were.

More than any other election ever, the winning side showed everyone exactly who they were. Believe them. I really don't understand why this even needs to be said. It is so obvious.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
If the Democrats were open to people that were more pro-life (not saying that they have to change high level but just understand some are pro-life) then the overwhelming majority at my church would be all democrats. Now I go to a huge church in Wake County so I understand that’s Democrats area anyway.
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Yeah, that's what my wife said about her old church prior to 2016. Then she saw how not true that was. How many people were really motivated by hatred in politics. Not necessarily in daily life, but in politics.

If your congregation is evangelical, then it would not be full of Democrats regardless of abortion. You'd like to think that, as would everyone not BSC who goes to evangelical churches, but the stats don't lie. 90%+ of evangelicals vote Trump.
 
HintonJamesHeel said:
Homo/transphobia for sure. Racism? Fringes
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Then where did they all go? I know not all them died and I know the kids followed them. I saw it up close and personal from the time I was 8 when my widowed mom married a Southern Baptist minister.
 
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