GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

[finesse]

Why Western Europe is rolling back access to puberty blockers

Several countries have restricted the use of puberty blockers, citing insufficient evidence on their benefits for gender-questioning youth and potential long-term effects.

www.euronews.com

From your article.

In a long-term study published in 2014, Dutch researchers reported that access to these treatments had improved patients’ mental health and curbed their gender dysphoria, which is when someone experiences distress because their gender identity does not match their biological sex at birth.

You really need to work on reading what you link. This is the third or fourth time that you've proven yourself a liar with your own link. What's up with that?

 

[ZenMode]

From your article.

In a long-term study published in 2014, Dutch researchers reported that access to these treatments had improved patients’ mental health and curbed their gender dysphoria, which is when someone experiences distress because their gender identity does not match their biological sex at birth.

You really need to work on reading what you link. This is the third or fourth time that you've proven yourself a liar with your own link. What's up with that?

(Ignoring the fact that it's only one study)

You really need to read the entire article.....

 

[finesse]

(Ignoring the fact that it's only one study)

You really need to read the entire article.....

Read far enough to know you lied. Why would I take your word it's worth reading? Look up credibility.

 

[UNCatTech]

(Ignoring the fact that it's only one study)

You really need to read the entire article.....

You claimed there were no studies. Once disproven why would we continue to read some thing you provide? Don't intentionally try to make the material look different to support your position, then people might take you more serious. But considering your history in regard to this topic, I doubt you will change or we will respect your position.

 

[Centerpiece]

How many LGBTQ voted for Trump? Can those #’s be found in all of the polling data?

We know of several (or at least a few) lesbians that voted Trump. I know one personally who lives one street over. She was my Pilates instructor at the local Yoga studio.

I know I’m not to supposed to feel good about somebody else’s misfortune, but this is where my schadenfreude kicks in big time, and when I think comments like this should go on the FAFO thread. I truly hope something the GOP does directly fucks with that old gal. Fucks her good. It’ll make my day.

I’m sorry, this is where I truly hope all the shit the GOP and Maga dish out on LGBTQ affects those who voted for the summabitch moreso than any others.

We ask this all the time, but how can anybody keep voting against their own best interests?
Poor/low income? “I know… let’s vote Trump so he’ll give more tax breaks to the Uber wealthy and cut Medicaid! Yes, that’s the ticket! Keep those trannies outa the schools and take away their healthcare! That’ll really improve my situation.” (Another example of schadenfreude BTW)

Hopefully very few LGBTQ voted Trump. Those that did must be very well off financially and not give two shits about their fellow LGBTQers.

 

[superrific]

My statement was related to the fact that there haven't been any clinical trials regarding children, gender dysphoria and the use of puberty blockers. Doctors just kind of started doing it.

Study of Transition, Outcomes, and Gender - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Breaking Through

research.jefferson.edu

Systematic Review of the Long-Term Effects of Transgender Hormone Therapy on Bone Markers and Bone Mineral Density and Their Potential Effects in Implant Therapy - PMC

This study seeks to evaluate the long-term effects of pharmacologic therapy on the bone markers and bone mineral density of transgender patients and to provide a basis for understanding its potential implications on therapies involving implant ...

pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care - PubMed

This study found that gender-affirming medical interventions were associated with lower odds of depression and suicidality over 12 months. These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Mental Health Outcomes in Transgender and Nonbinary Youths Receiving Gender-Affirming Care - PubMed

This study found that gender-affirming medical interventions were associated with lower odds of depression and suicidality over 12 months. These data add to existing evidence suggesting that gender-affirming care may be associated with improved well-being among TNB youths over a short period...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

These are generally not double-blind trials because they can't be due to ethical restrictions, or would at least be very hard and expensive to conduct. You have this idea that medicine proceeds by clinical trial alone and that's not remotely true.

No clinical trial would be required for hormone treatment because we understand the mechanisms of action. We know that hormone therapy is safe and effective in general. The question is whether this particular off-label use is effective. Well, off-label use is extremely common and not subject to clinical trials. My son takes guanfacine for autism related anxiety even though it's a blood-pressure med. If you take trazodone or seroquel for sleep, there are no clinical trials. Wellbutrin for ADHD; SSRIs for Tourette's, premature ejaculation, and irritable bowel syndrome. Etc.

All you are revealing is an ignorance of medical research. Shocking, I know.

 

[superrific]

In a long-term study published in 2014, Dutch researchers reported that access to these treatments had improved patients’ mental health and curbed their gender dysphoria, which is when someone experiences distress because their gender identity does not match their biological sex at birth.

Technically that's not a clinical trial. So technically he's factually correct but it doesn't mean what he thinks it means.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

Further proof you have no clue what you are talking about.

Where am I mistaken?

 

[UNCatTech]

Where am I mistaken?

To start with the stupid statement about "pretending to be a female".

It's college if the guy wants to get laid, dressing as a girl is probably the least effective method. If he's a sexual predator, then none of this is a factor as he will find other ways.

The show bosom buddies was a comedy, not real life.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

To start with the stupid statement about "pretending to be a female".

It's college if the guy wants to get laid, dressing as a girl is probably the least effective method. If he's a sexual predator, then none of this is a factor as he will find other ways.

The show bosom buddies was a comedy, not real life.

So are you saying a male can be a female if he believes in his head he is a female? Yes or no.

I shouldn't have said pretending, because probably that isn't what is happening, but there probably is some sort of mental issue to create that kind of confusion. Outside of actual intersex/chromosomal stuff that is extremely rare, it's pretty simple from a biological perspective. I'll admit from a mental standpoint it is likely more complicated. Just because it is a well known example, you can look at the congressional representative from Delaware, McBride. That person is clearly a biological male. There is nothing about that person that even remotely makes anyone think it's a female. Which is why on a previously locked thread, I had pointed out that I didn't think McBride was actually serious about transitioning and that it very well (in my opinion highly likely) could be a massive troll job as it doesn't appear to be a serious attempt at transitioning. And the way McBride has gone on social media with some really over the top leftist viewpoints, I am just not convinced McBride is actually serious about any of it. And wouldn't be a bit shocked if I found out later it was some long drawn out troll job to poke fun at the modern day far left. Hopefully I don't get a ban as a result of throwing this theory out there again, but I really think it is highly likely that is what is going on with McBride. Am I really the only one that thinks that is the case?

 

[superrific]

So are you saying a male can be a female if he believes in his head he is a female? Yes or no.

I shouldn't have said pretending, because probably that isn't what is happening, but there probably is some sort of mental issue to create that kind of confusion. Outside of actual intersex/chromosomal stuff that is extremely rare, it's pretty simple from a biological perspective. I'll admit from a mental standpoint it is likely more complicated. Just because it is a well known example, you can look at the congressional representative from Delaware, McBride. That person is clearly a biological male. There is nothing about that person that even remotely makes anyone think it's a female. Which is why on a previously locked thread, I had pointed out that I didn't think McBride was actually serious about transitioning and that it very well (in my opinion highly likely) could be a massive troll job as it doesn't appear to be a serious attempt at transitioning. And the way McBride has gone on social media with some really over the top leftist viewpoints, I am just not convinced McBride is actually serious about any of it. And wouldn't be a bit shocked if I found out later it was some long drawn out troll job to poke fun at the modern day far left. Hopefully I don't get a ban as a result of throwing this theory out there again, but I really think it is highly likely that is what is going on with McBride. Am I really the only one that thinks that is the case?

Your argument is that you think one trans person is a troll and therefore the whole thing is a hoax? And you're contesting the stupid label?

I'm frankly tired of mooks like you disregarding actual science in favor of their own time-worn and retrograde brainwashing. The fact is that you don't know a goddamn thing about gender dysphoria, so why are you talking as if you do? My wife is a child psychiatrist; she sees a lot of trans kids and she can tell you with 100% certainty that gender dysphoria is real and gender-affirming care is wildly beneficial. She's seen it literally dozens of times in her career. She knows things about gender. You do not.

 

[EhringhausSouth]

Your argument is that you think one trans person is a troll and therefore the whole thing is a hoax? And you're contesting the stupid label?

I'm frankly tired of mooks like you disregarding actual science in favor of their own time-worn and retrograde brainwashing. The fact is that you don't know a goddamn thing about gender dysphoria, so why are you talking as if you do? My wife is a child psychiatrist; she sees a lot of trans kids and she can tell you with 100% certainty that gender dysphoria is real and gender-affirming care is wildly beneficial. She's seen it literally dozens of times in her career. She knows things about gender. You do not.

I like how I can't possibly know anything because I have a difference of opinion on an issue. But that is beside the point. So would you say removing male genitalia from a male that believes he is a female and is very sincere in this belief is a good thing? If so, at what age would such a procedure be appropriate in your opinion. I am trying to understand the thinking behind this. I also am not completely dismissing gender dysphoria, I think there is enough evidence to suggest it is real, but I do likely have a difference of opinion on the best approach to treat it. I do know a thing or two about the human body and brain. I teach Health for a living and also do a section of AP Psychology from time to time.

 

[UNCatTech]

So are you saying a male can be a female if he believes in his head he is a female? Yes or no.

I shouldn't have said pretending, because probably that isn't what is happening, but there probably is some sort of mental issue to create that kind of confusion. Outside of actual intersex/chromosomal stuff that is extremely rare, it's pretty simple from a biological perspective. I'll admit from a mental standpoint it is likely more complicated. Just because it is a well known example, you can look at the congressional representative from Delaware, McBride. That person is clearly a biological male. There is nothing about that person that even remotely makes anyone think it's a female. Which is why on a previously locked thread, I had pointed out that I didn't think McBride was actually serious about transitioning and that it very well (in my opinion highly likely) could be a massive troll job as it doesn't appear to be a serious attempt at transitioning. And the way McBride has gone on social media with some really over the top leftist viewpoints, I am just not convinced McBride is actually serious about any of it. And wouldn't be a bit shocked if I found out later it was some long drawn out troll job to poke fun at the modern day far left. Hopefully I don't get a ban as a result of throwing this theory out there again, but I really think it is highly likely that is what is going on with McBride. Am I really the only one that thinks that is the case?

I don't believe you are serious with this argument.

Back to the topic, let's say your hypothetical is true and a man pretends to be a woman to be the roommate of a cis gender girl in the dorms.

What is the logic that anyone would do that? If they are transitioning to be a woman then they are more than likely attracted to men. If the roommate is uncomfortable there are policies for requesting different roommates.

So, what is your concern? And do you believe that there are not policies in place to rectify that concern?

Also, you do realize the very small percentage of people who are trans, correct? What's the probability of any of these things happening?

 

[UNCatTech]

I like how I can't possibly know anything because I have a difference of opinion on an issue. But that is beside the point. So would you say removing male genitalia from a male that believes he is a female and is very sincere in this belief is a good thing? If so, at what age would such a procedure be appropriate in your opinion. I am trying to understand the thinking behind this. I also am not completely dismissing gender dysphoria, I think there is enough evidence to suggest it is real, but I do likely have a difference of opinion on the best approach to treat it. I do know a thing or two about the human body and brain. I teach Health for a living and also do a section of AP Psychology from time to time.

I don't believe one can set a defined age for everyone. We know that people mature differently. My understanding is that it's a long process of counseling well before surgery is an option. I've read many testimonials and they support the decisions being on an individual basis. One trans female that did a TED talk said that her earliest memories she felt that she was a girl.

 

[nycfan]

 

[UNCatTech]

So are you saying a male can be a female if he believes in his head he is a female? Yes or no.

I shouldn't have said pretending, because probably that isn't what is happening, but there probably is some sort of mental issue to create that kind of confusion. Outside of actual intersex/chromosomal stuff that is extremely rare, it's pretty simple from a biological perspective. I'll admit from a mental standpoint it is likely more complicated. Just because it is a well known example, you can look at the congressional representative from Delaware, McBride. That person is clearly a biological male. There is nothing about that person that even remotely makes anyone think it's a female. Which is why on a previously locked thread, I had pointed out that I didn't think McBride was actually serious about transitioning and that it very well (in my opinion highly likely) could be a massive troll job as it doesn't appear to be a serious attempt at transitioning. And the way McBride has gone on social media with some really over the top leftist viewpoints, I am just not convinced McBride is actually serious about any of it. And wouldn't be a bit shocked if I found out later it was some long drawn out troll job to poke fun at the modern day far left. Hopefully I don't get a ban as a result of throwing this theory out there again, but I really think it is highly likely that is what is going on with McBride. Am I really the only one that thinks that is the case?

Do you believe in evolution?
Do you agree there are 9+ billion people on the earth.
Do you agree that no two of them are exactly the same?

Doesn't the simply probabilities and the potential evolution add up to the distinct possibility that trans people are exactly as they say they are?

Considering how many other species naturally transition, I don't understand why it is hard to believe.

 

[Bigs23]

Do you believe in evolution?
Do you agree there are 9+ billion people on the earth.
Do you agree that no two of them are exactly the same?

Doesn't the simply probabilities and the potential evolution add up to the distinct possibility that trans people are exactly as they say they are?

Considering how many other species naturally transition, I don't understand why it is hard to believe.

On top of that of that why does it even matter?

 

[UNCatTech]

On top of that of that why does it even matter?

In my opinion, it matters because we shouldn't discriminate against people or marginalize people and that is what this administration sets out to do.

 

[Bigs23]

In my opinion, it matters because we shouldn't discriminate against people or marginalize people and that is what this administration sets out to do.

Right. Why does it matter what people chose to identify themselves as? Who/What does it harm?

 

[McAdooSmackinYou]

Have you noticed that the people super consumed with regulating trans bodies could not give fewer fucks about keeping a dead bio woman alive to harvest a fetus? Where is the outrage over manipulation of the natural order of things in those cases?