GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans

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StrangePackage said:
Man is a gender term, not a biological term.
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Nonsense. Gender and Biological sex should align. The idea that they shouldn't is absurd. Male is Male. Female is Female, with the exception of those rare occasions where there are people born intersex or with some chromosomal genetic situation and a person at that point may need to try and figure some things out. If it's a clear biological male, they need to be for legal, athletic, and for the purposes of public spaces, a male. That doesn't mean if they want to dress up and be a female because they feel that on the inside, they can't do it on their own time. Have at it big guy! And same for females who had rather be a male. Once an adult, go ahead and take all the hormonal stuff you want. sew something on or chop it off, whatever, but you're still whatever your biological sex is.
 
UNCatTech said:
Yes
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If that were the case, by the time college came around, you'd have created a scenario where females would simply be unable to participate in some sports at many/most colleges. Females in professional basketball, pro golf and professional tennis would basically cease to exist.
 
EhringhausSouth said:
Nonsense. Gender and Biological sex should align. The idea that they shouldn't is absurd. Male is Male. Female is Female, with the exception of those rare occasions where there are people born intersex or with some chromosomal genetic situation and a person at that point may need to try and figure some things out. If it's a clear biological male, they need to be for legal, athletic, and for the purposes of public spaces, a male. That doesn't mean if they want to dress up and be a female because they feel that on the inside, they can't do it on their own time. Have at it big guy! And same for females who had rather be a male. Once an adult, go ahead and take all the hormonal stuff you want. sew something on or chop it off, whatever, but you're still whatever your biological sex is.
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Why does it matter?
 
NYCBlueBlood said:
Well I knew some women who played in a rugby league here in NYC back in the day, but I think the league was predominantly lesbian.

My point was that physical disparities are just a part of sports. At the college+ level, sure, I get it. But before then who cares? I had to play against guys who were a foot taller than me and had a significant weight difference. So what? Unless it's boxing/ wrestling, you don't get to pick a weight category.

Sometimes you have games where you dominate... sometimes you have games where you're dominated. That's part of sports as a kid. Teaches you how to win and lose. As far as I know, nobody was traumatized for life because the other team had a kid who was 6 inches taller than anybody on your team.

In other words, who cares if some person born male wants to compete in high school as a girl? Nobody is going to die over it. I had to go up against some serious gorillas I was sure were in their 20s... I was not traumatized for life by it.
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I mostly swam - so completely non-contact.

When I was 14, at the state championships, I made finals (Top 8) in 5-6 events. I remember going to the blocks for the 200 meter fly. I was the only one who wasn’t 5’8” or taller. I was 4’11”. I was the only one who hadn’t “shaved down” for the meet - no need to do so.

The 13-14 girls 200 fly final was just before us; all 8 of those girls were taller than my 4’11” self; 7 of them definitely outweighed me (none were fat).

The next year I aged up to the 15-and-over age group. I went on a growth spurt - I was now a towering 5’3”. I was still shorter than everyone I swam against. It is what it is.

If anyone wonders if height matters in swimming, Michael Phelps is 6’4”, Caleb Dressel is 6’3”, Ian Thorpe is 6’5”. Summer McIntosh is 5’8”. Katie Ledecky is 6’0”.
 
Bigs23 said:
Why does it matter?
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I don't believe for a minute that people like him are really OK with even adults choosing to do this, at least not without the government and society creating penalties for doing so. To cite just a few of the many examples at the state level, Tennessee has passed laws forbidding drag shows in public (not just for kids, but anywhere) and red states like Florida are forbidding any discussion of transgenders (or any LGBTQ-related issues) even in high schools and colleges, much less lower grades. It's extremely disingenuous to argue that the GOP's goal isn't to roll back the clock on all LGBTQ rights, including gay marriage rights (or as I've heard it said, just "return it to the states" like abortion). Going after transgenders in women's sports is simply one way of attacking the right of transgenders to a public existence, and limiting LGBTQ rights, period. And there's ample evidence of that.
 
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Zoo_View said:
I mostly swam - so completely non-contact.

When I was 14, at the state championships, I made finals (Top 8) in 5-6 events. I remember going to the blocks for the 200 meter fly. I was the only one who wasn’t 5’8” or taller. I was 4’11”. I was the only one who hadn’t “shaved down” for the meet - no need to do so.

The 13-14 girls 200 fly final was just before us; all 8 of those girls were taller than my 4’11” self; 7 of them definitely outweighed me (none were fat).

The next year I aged up to the 15-and-over age group. I went on a growth spurt - I was now a towering 5’3”. I was still shorter than everyone I swam against. It is what it is.

If anyone wonders if height matters in swimming, Michael Phelps is 6’4”, Caleb Dressel is 6’3”, Ian Thorpe is 6’5”. Summer McIntosh is 5’8”. Katie Ledecky is 6’0”.
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I've also read that Phelps has incredibly large hands, whice give him an advantage. I'm sure he should be banned, no one should ever have an advantage.
 
UNCatTech said:
I've also read that Phelps has incredibly large hands, whice give him an advantage. I'm sure he should be banned, no one should ever have an advantage.
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Phelps has numerous physical advantages that might have helped him:
  • Height - 6’4”
  • Wingspan - 6’7” (large wingspan is a huge plus in swimming)
  • Legs of a 6’0” man (short legs is an advantage in swimming)
  • Torso of a 6’8” man (helps house his abnormally large lungs)
  • Large hands - allows the swimmer to “catch” more water on each stroke
  • Large feet - size 14
  • Double jointed ankles - helps his large feet kick more like swim fins
  • Double joined knees - helps power his incredible butterfly kick
  • Double jointed elbows - helps him create more power on each stroke
He probably should have been banned!
 
finesse said:
It's what tournament bridge did. I know it's not a physical game as such but the principle seems sound.
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I totally think it could work in sports/games that are not "physical." I do worry about the economic impact it would have though. For example, if there were just one professional basketball league, there's little chance it would have any non-male athletes.
 
Zen's issue, I believe, is that he sees a transgender woman competing with other women as cheating, equivalent to someone taking steroids, or stealing signs, or palming cards, etc. That's why he's able to ignore all kinds of other genetic advantages certain athletes have, claiming it's "fair."
 
EhringhausSouth said:
Because it isn't a good idea for fantasy to be considered reality. An excellent grasp on reality is healthy for society in my opinion.
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Well since this isn't fantasy, your point doesn't make sense.

As for actual fantasy, it's a great part of society. Could you imagine how boring society would be without it?
 
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