ZenMode
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Because these pretentious, self-glorifying awards shows are private, not public.
GOP & Policies toward/treatment of Transgender & other LGBTQ Americans
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Super, the age doesn't matter in this example because the primus of the right is that the least man are greater than ALL women in sports. Otherwise their risk argument falls apart.
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REALLY? There's no connecting logic there.
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I can have it both ways. I can have no issues at all with college-age athletes and still believe they shouldn't be competing against 13 year olds.
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And your point? We're not discussing that topic. So go start your own thread on that topic, so we can all test the topic ignore function.
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My point is that you don't have to have an issue with a specific group of people to have an awareness of science and fairness.
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It would be nice if you understood science and fairness and didn't have an issue with a particular group of people, as you so clearly do.
Zen, why do you hate trans females? Do you also hate trans males? What other groups do you hate? Is it for the same reasons?
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@ZenMode, you keep falsely claiming that science dictates that men and women should not play sports together. Can you provide links to support this? I don't recall any science regarding sports participation. And if there is "science" that dictates this, why is the science ignored for young kids and for coed college sports and for rec leagues? Why do we ignore the science in all of these other examples of men and women, boys and girls, playing sports together without issue.
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That's not quite true. If things are riskier on average, that would be a reason to regulate. But there is absolutely no evidence that it's the case.
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Science doesn't dictate males should play in female sports. Science says that men are bigger, stronger and faster than females. Men have more muscle and less fat than women. I posted Google AI info below, but there are many, many resources and research that supports this fact.
That being the case, males have a significant competitive advantage against females in nearly all athletic events/sports.
AI Overview
Yes, men generally have more muscle mass than women. On average, men have around 61% more muscle mass than women. This difference is primarily due to hormonal differences, particularly higher levels of testosterone in men, which promotes muscle growth.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Hormonal Factors:
Testosterone, a male hormone, plays a crucial role in muscle growth and development. Men have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women, leading to greater muscle mass.
- Average Muscle Mass Difference:
Studies consistently show that men have a greater percentage of skeletal muscle mass compared to women. For example, a study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had 33.0 kg of skeletal muscle compared to women's 21.0 kg.
- Body Composition:
Men tend to have a higher proportion of lean muscle mass and a lower proportion of fat mass compared to women. Women, on the other hand, typically have a higher percentage of body fat.
- Body Composition:
- Muscle Distribution:
The difference in muscle mass is also seen in specific areas of the body. Men tend to have a greater percentage of total muscle mass in the upper body compared to the lower body, while women exhibit the opposite pattern.
Women and Men in Sport Performance: The Gender Gap has not Evolved since 1983 - PMC
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic ...
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Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic era. For each event in swimming, athletics, track cycling, weightlifting and speed skating the gender gap is fitted to compare male and female records. It is also studied through the best performance of the top 10 performers in each gender for swimming and athletics. A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events. The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 18.8% (long jump). The mean gap is 10.7% for running performances, 17.5% for jumps, 8.9% for swimming races, 7.0% for speed skating and 8.7% in cycling. The top ten performers’ analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%, despite the large growth in participation of women from eastern and western countries, that coincided with later- published evidence of state-institutionalized or individual doping. These results suggest that women will not run, jump, swim or ride as fast as men.
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See, I stopped when you lied and said that science says that men are bigger, stringer, and faster. This is a complete lie as there are many example showing that to be false and not the absolute that you claim.Science doesn't dictate males should play in female sports. Science says that men are bigger, stronger and faster than females. Men have more muscle and less fat than women. I posted Google AI info below, but there are many, many resources and research that supports this fact.
That being the case, males have a significant competitive advantage against females in nearly all athletic events/sports.
AI Overview
Yes, men generally have more muscle mass than women. On average, men have around 61% more muscle mass than women. This difference is primarily due to hormonal differences, particularly higher levels of testosterone in men, which promotes muscle growth.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Hormonal Factors:
Testosterone, a male hormone, plays a crucial role in muscle growth and development. Men have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women, leading to greater muscle mass.
- Average Muscle Mass Difference:
Studies consistently show that men have a greater percentage of skeletal muscle mass compared to women. For example, a study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had 33.0 kg of skeletal muscle compared to women's 21.0 kg.
- Body Composition:
Men tend to have a higher proportion of lean muscle mass and a lower proportion of fat mass compared to women. Women, on the other hand, typically have a higher percentage of body fat.
- Muscle Distribution:
The difference in muscle mass is also seen in specific areas of the body. Men tend to have a greater percentage of total muscle mass in the upper body compared to the lower body, while women exhibit the opposite pattern.
Women and Men in Sport Performance: The Gender Gap has not Evolved since 1983 - PMC
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic ...
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic era. For each event in swimming, athletics, track cycling, weightlifting and speed skating the gender gap is fitted to compare male and female records. It is also studied through the best performance of the top 10 performers in each gender for swimming and athletics. A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events. The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 18.8% (long jump). The mean gap is 10.7% for running performances, 17.5% for jumps, 8.9% for swimming races, 7.0% for speed skating and 8.7% in cycling. The top ten performers’ analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%, despite the large growth in participation of women from eastern and western countries, that coincided with later- published evidence of state-institutionalized or individual doping. These results suggest that women will not run, jump, swim or ride as fast as men.
Additionally, some women are bigger, faster, and stronger than the women they play with, so I guess, based on your premise that we should disban all sports where all contestants are not the same size, strength, and have equal athletic ability.
Sound ridiculous doesn't it? That because it is and this false narrative is what you keep standing behind.
There are plenty of women that are bigger, faster, and stronger than men.
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Science doesn't dictate who plays sports. PERIOD.Science doesn't dictate males should play in female sports. Science says that men are bigger, stronger and faster than females. Men have more muscle and less fat than women. I posted Google AI info below, but there are many, many resources and research that supports this fact.
That being the case, males have a significant competitive advantage against females in nearly all athletic events/sports.
AI Overview
Yes, men generally have more muscle mass than women. On average, men have around 61% more muscle mass than women. This difference is primarily due to hormonal differences, particularly higher levels of testosterone in men, which promotes muscle growth.
Here's a more detailed explanation:
- Hormonal Factors:
Testosterone, a male hormone, plays a crucial role in muscle growth and development. Men have significantly higher levels of testosterone than women, leading to greater muscle mass.
- Average Muscle Mass Difference:
Studies consistently show that men have a greater percentage of skeletal muscle mass compared to women. For example, a study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that men had 33.0 kg of skeletal muscle compared to women's 21.0 kg.
- Body Composition:
Men tend to have a higher proportion of lean muscle mass and a lower proportion of fat mass compared to women. Women, on the other hand, typically have a higher percentage of body fat.
- Muscle Distribution:
The difference in muscle mass is also seen in specific areas of the body. Men tend to have a greater percentage of total muscle mass in the upper body compared to the lower body, while women exhibit the opposite pattern.
Women and Men in Sport Performance: The Gender Gap has not Evolved since 1983 - PMC
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic ...
Sex is a major factor influencing best performances and world records. Here the evolution of the difference between men and women’s best performances is characterized through the analysis of 82 quantifiable events since the beginning of the Olympic era. For each event in swimming, athletics, track cycling, weightlifting and speed skating the gender gap is fitted to compare male and female records. It is also studied through the best performance of the top 10 performers in each gender for swimming and athletics. A stabilization of the gender gap in world records is observed after 1983, at a mean difference of 10.0% ± 2.94 between men and women for all events. The gender gap ranges from 5.5% (800-m freestyle, swimming) to 18.8% (long jump). The mean gap is 10.7% for running performances, 17.5% for jumps, 8.9% for swimming races, 7.0% for speed skating and 8.7% in cycling. The top ten performers’ analysis reveals a similar gender gap trend with a stabilization in 1982 at 11.7%, despite the large growth in participation of women from eastern and western countries, that coincided with later- published evidence of state-institutionalized or individual doping. These results suggest that women will not run, jump, swim or ride as fast as men.
Humans do, we create the sports, we create the rules, science tells us about athletes, equipment, and other variables, but it doesn't dictate anything, just like it doesn't dictate that all women are inferior to men in sports.
C'mon now. Zen did not say "all" men are bigger, faster and stronger. He just said "men" -- which should be fairly interpreted as including an "on average" in there. You are the one adding an implied "all."
It is certainly true that the average male has substantially more muscle mass than the average female. Even a male that has been on hormone blockers for two years will, on average, still have more muscle mass and bone density than a female.
There are lots of good arguments to support transwomen playing in female sports (and lots of good arguments for them not to play). But arguing that some women are stronger than some men is not one of those good arguments.
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Hollywood?
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This prompted my reply you have quoted:
“That's why a group of old guys can beat the women's national team in soccer....easily and the 1150th rank mail tennis player can beat the 57th ranked female tennis player.”
Of course a ranked male will most always beat a ranked female in tennis. Its power.
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Says the guy ignoring science in favor of their own antiquated feelings.
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yeah, this is what the right does - they've got ignorant assholes up in arms over the total non-issue of a handful of trans athletes nationwide while they simultaneously roll back human and civil rights and protections for millions of lgbtq people all over the country just trying to exist peacefully.
i certainly empathize with their plight but the athletic careers of a handful of trans athletes are pretty inconsequential in the grand scheme.
on the other hand, states banning same sex marriage and firing teachers for acknowledging their same sex relationships is unconscionable bullshit and a huge fucking problem that affects a whole lot more people.
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Sure, there are exceptions and, yes, there are women who are bigger, stronger and faster than some men. I didn't say all. However, at every comparable level of experience and training, a large majority males will be more athletic (a generic reference to being bigger, stronger and faster) than a large majority of females.
We generally do a decent job of ensuring competitive balance. We have age ranges for sports, so 20 year olds don't play against 13 year olds. We have different levels of competition i.e. Freshman vs Jr. Varsity vs Varsiity. In boxing and wrestling, we have weight categories. We do this to try to promote fairness. In golf we have a seniors tour.
And, of course, we start by separating male and female sports when it makes biological sense (aka puberty). Generally, it starts in junior high/middle school. It continues in high school, through the pros and includes the Olympics. I believe the Olympics now has a female equivalent for every male sport. The last addition being boxing.
It sounds very reasonable.
If true, then the people who implemented the fairness steps (described above) are all complicit in this "narrative".
Yes there are some.
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The youngest pro soccer player ever is currently McKenna Whitham, who became the youngest player in the National Women's Soccer League (NWSL) at 14 years old.
