I do want conservatives on here

CFordUNC said:
Outside of making their messaging more effective and not wading into so many bullshit culture war traps laid by the Republicans, I think the Democrats need to do much else over the next 18 months other than lay low and let the GOP punch itself out. The Democrats should be a very vocal minority party, voting no on literally everything and spending all day every day screaming about how awful this Trump economy truly is. The policy aims of the Trump administration are so breathtaking with bad and so extraordinarily unpopular to everyone except for a small part of the ultra MAGA base, the Democrats won’t really have to do anything other than what I have outlined above for the next 18 months until the midterm. The Trump administration is already taking body blows and scoring own-goals and we are not even two weeks in; they completely buckled and back down like enormous pussies today with the budget free stuff, and the blanket pardon of violent January 6 convicts is deeply unpopular even among conservatives. There is going to be so much ammunition and cannon fodder Kratz if they can just grit their teeth and sit back and let Republicans Republican.

Aside from Trump actually not winning, this has been a best case scenario so far if your ultimate aim is the demolition of the Republican Party. The Trump administration was a lame duck from the moment it was inaugurated last week, they basically have 18 months until one or both houses of Congress, and Trump eked out smallest popular vote win in generations but is arrogantly behaving as if he has a mandate.
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George W. Bush did the same after won the 2000 election by 537 votes in Florida and then squeaked through to reelection with less than 51 percent of the vote against Kerry. And by the time he left office in 2008 his presidency was a trainwreck (it only looks better now compared to Trump, and in some ways 2008 was actually worse, if that's possible) and he had record-low approval ratings. Claiming you won by a landslide when you didn't and then governing as if you won 60 percent instead of less than 50 usually doesn't work out well in the long run.
 
korgguy1971 said:
Actually, there are plenty of us in addition to the ones you listed above - myself included - who, 15 plus years ago, would have very likely identified as or even voted Republican, but are still (moderate) conservative / lean conservative under normal circumstances. Personally, I am now unaffiliated and officially not a registered Republican as of the Iraq war. Previously, I voted Republican and was registered as one.

But Trump and MAGA is a cult in every respect. You're either in it or you aren't. Nuance does not exist.
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Same here! Pretty much word for word.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
George W. Bush did the same after won the 2000 election by 537 votes in Florida and then squeaked through to reelection with less than 51 percent of the vote against Kerry. And by the time he left office in 2008 his presidency was a trainwreck (it only looks better now compared to Trump, and in some ways 2008 was actually worse, if that's possible) and he had record-low approval ratings. Claiming you won by a landslide when you didn't and then governing as if you won 60 percent instead of less than 50 usually doesn't work out well in the long run.
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Yep. Essentially the key will be just getting to November 2026 without a nuclear crater on Manhattan, or H5N1 deciding to become immune to Invermectin or some shit. A lame duck Trump presidency with the back half comprised of a Democratic Congress should be able to keep the wheels on the tracks reasonably well.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Still here. Just not as much to talk about now that the election is over. Have always said that win or lose, politics doesn’t dictate my daily mood much and it shouldn’t yours either.

I have been intentional about not gloating too much about the ass kicking Trump laid on Harris because I know I am in a big minority here as a Trump voter.

I remain hopeful that the result of the election will lead to some careful introspection from Democrats about why they lost every single swing state and lost ground with every single demographic. But do I think most on this board are willing to have that conversation? No. I think most of you just want to bitch about Trump every day for 4 more years.
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Introspection? Wow. Maybe you should take your own advice and look at the final numbers. That ass kicking you talk about wasn't even in the top 5 margin of victory. Wasn't the biggest electoral college win.

Hell, it took him 3 tries to finally win the popular vote, so in three elections he has a negative margin for actual votes. A broken system gave the looser his first term.

Now we just sit back and watch as he does the things that so many Republicans said he wouldn't.

Republicans claim to be for law and order, yet one of his first acts was to release 1500 convicts. 1 of which is already dead after resisting arrest and another is already back in jail. These are the criminals, not the dreamers and immigrants that your party is so scared of.

Just waiting on his immigration policy to follow that of Hitler. Guess we can watch for gas chambers being built at Guantanimo.

and you can no longer pretend to care about cost and debt when they are spending 10 times as much money to deport using military planes compared to the hundreds of nonmilitary transport planes used by the previous administrations.
 
UNCatTech said:
Introspection? Wow. Maybe you should take your own advice and look at the final numbers. That ass kicking you talk about wasn't even in the top 5 margin of victory. Wasn't the biggest electoral college win.

Hell, it took him 3 tries to finally win the popular vote, so in three elections he has a negative margin for actual votes. A broken system gave the looser his first term.

Now we just sit back and watch as he does the things that so many Republicans said he wouldn't.

Republicans claim to be for law and order, yet one of his first acts was to release 1500 convicts. 1 of which is already dead after resisting arrest and another is already back in jail. These are the criminals, not the dreamers and immigrants that your party is so scared of.

Just waiting on his immigration policy to follow that of Hitler. Guess we can watch for gas chambers being built at Guantanimo.

and you can no longer pretend to care about cost and debt when they are spending 10 times as much money to deport using military planes compared to the hundreds of nonmilitary transport planes used by the previous administrations.
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Don’t forget the J6er that immediately got picked up for soliciting a minor.
 
But, don't get me wrong, I do want conservatives on the board.

I can probably do without the cultist, but the conservatives are ok.

Before trump, when I voted mostly conservative listening to others and reading were instrumental in my evolution.

I also don't see democrats or the Democratic party as perfect.

My hope is that trump is so bad that both sides see a need to bring in new, competent, representatives. And work together to get things done.
 
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UNCatTech said:
But, don't get me wrong, I do want conservatives on the board.

I can probably do without the cultist, but the conservatives are ok.

Before trump, when I voted mostly conservative listening to others and reading were instrumental in my evolution.

I also don't see democrats or the Democrat party as perfect.

My hope is that trump is so bad that both sides see a need to bring in new, competent, representatives. And work together to get things done.
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"My hope is that trump is so bad that both sides see a need to bring in new, competent, representatives.

Old School Yes GIF
 
Peppers49 said:
If you’re a Republican who roots for elections like they’re sporting events, why would you be hopeful that democrats do serious introspection about why they lost? Shouldn’t you be hoping that they keep the same strategy and continue to lose?
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Because I would rather vote (and live) in a political environment where both candidates can comfortably speak out against taxpayer funded sex changes for prisoners and get out of the wacko-land the Democratic party is currently operating in.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Still here. Just not as much to talk about now that the election is over. Have always said that win or lose, politics doesn’t dictate my daily mood much and it shouldn’t yours either.

I have been intentional about not gloating too much about the ass kicking Trump laid on Harris because I know I am in a big minority here as a Trump voter.

I remain hopeful that the result of the election will lead to some careful introspection from Democrats about why they lost every single swing state and lost ground with every single demographic. But do I think most on this board are willing to have that conversation? No. I think most of you just want to bitch about Trump every day for 4 more years.
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Please start the discussion.

If it’s informed and factual, it’ll be appreciated. If it’s Trumplican nonsense such as “rigged elections,” it’ll be mocked.
 
CFordUNC said:
Outside of making their messaging more effective and not wading into so many bullshit culture war traps laid by the Republicans, I do not think the Democrats need to do much else over the next 18 months other than lay low and let the GOP punch itself out. The Democrats should be a very vocal minority party, voting no on literally everything and spending all day every day screaming about how awful this Trump economy truly is. The policy aims of the Trump administration are so breathtaking with bad and so extraordinarily unpopular to everyone except for a small part of the ultra MAGA base, the Democrats won’t really have to do anything other than what I have outlined above for the next 18 months until the midterm. The Trump administration is already taking body blows and scoring own-goals and we are not even two weeks in; they completely buckled and back down like enormous pussies today with the budget free stuff, and the blanket pardon of violent January 6 convicts is deeply unpopular even among conservatives. There is going to be so much ammunition and cannon fodder Kratz if they can just grit their teeth and sit back and let Republicans Republican.

Aside from Trump actually not winning, this has been a best case scenario so far if your ultimate aim is the demolition of the Republican Party. The Trump administration was a lame duck from the moment it was inaugurated last week, they basically have 18 months until one or both houses of Congress, and Trump eked out smallest popular vote win in generations but is arrogantly behaving as if he has a mandate.
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Remember too that presidential second terms are invariably worse than the first. It's hard to believe we can endure worse than Trump's mishandling of Covid, but if history is our guide, Term #2 will be much worse than Trump 1.0.
 
HeelYeah2012 said:
Still here. Just not as much to talk about now that the election is over. Have always said that win or lose, politics doesn’t dictate my daily mood much and it shouldn’t yours either.

I have been intentional about not gloating too much about the ass kicking Trump laid on Harris because I know I am in a big minority here as a Trump voter.

I remain hopeful that the result of the election will lead to some careful introspection from Democrats about why they lost every single swing state and lost ground with every single demographic. But do I think most on this board are willing to have that conversation? No. I think most of you just want to bitch about Trump every day for 4 more years.
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Perhaps as much introspection as the Republicans went through when they lost all but one swing state in 2020? Which is to say, no introspection.

Inflation went through the roof in 2021-2022 and incumbents everywhere lost in 2023 and 2024. You don't need to do any more introspection than that.

Do you think the Torries in the UK lost because of their woke policies and border policies? No, they lost because of the 2021-2022 economy.
 
CFordUNC said:
Outside of making their messaging more effective and not wading into so many bullshit culture war traps laid by the Republicans, I do not think the Democrats need to do much else over the next 18 months other than lay low and let the GOP punch itself out. The Democrats should be a very vocal minority party, voting no on literally everything and spending all day every day screaming about how awful this Trump economy truly is. The policy aims of the Trump administration are so breathtaking with bad and so extraordinarily unpopular to everyone except for a small part of the ultra MAGA base, the Democrats won’t really have to do anything other than what I have outlined above for the next 18 months until the midterm. The Trump administration is already taking body blows and scoring own-goals and we are not even two weeks in; they completely buckled and back down like enormous pussies today with the budget free stuff, and the blanket pardon of violent January 6 convicts is deeply unpopular even among conservatives. There is going to be so much ammunition and cannon fodder Kratz if they can just grit their teeth and sit back and let Republicans Republican.

Aside from Trump actually not winning, this has been a best case scenario so far if your ultimate aim is the demolition of the Republican Party. The Trump administration was a lame duck from the moment it was inaugurated last week, they basically have 18 months until one or both houses of Congress, and Trump eked out smallest popular vote win in generations but is arrogantly behaving as if he has a mandate.
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I wish I had your optimism…..I might call some aspects of your outlook as zealous……often new converts are zealous while longer-term adherents are lower key.

The GOP has structural advantages because our system favors land over people. The Democrats are a longshot to win the Senate in 2026. It’ll be hard for the Democrats to win more than a slim majority in the House in 2026 - people have to realize how gerrymandered Congressional seats are.

People have to realize how gerrymandered many state legislatures are.

CFord, you might be 55-70 years-old before today’s gerrymandering is defeated.
 
Mulberry Heel said:
George W. Bush did the same after won the 2000 election by 537 votes in Florida and then squeaked through to reelection with less than 51 percent of the vote against Kerry. And by the time he left office in 2008 his presidency was a trainwreck (it only looks better now compared to Trump, and in some ways 2008 was actually worse, if that's possible) and he had record-low approval ratings. Claiming you won by a landslide when you didn't and then governing as if you won 60 percent instead of less than 50 usually doesn't work out well in the long run.
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The United States of America is much more gerrymandered today than it was in 2004 and 2006.

These states are voting GOP:
  • Florida
  • Georgia (Covid gifted GA to the Democrats in 2020)
  • South Carolina
  • North Carolina
  • Alabama
  • Mississippi
  • Tennessee
  • Kentucky
  • West Virginia
  • Ohio
  • Maine’s 2nd District
  • Indiana
  • Louisiana
  • Arkansas
  • Missouri
  • Iowa
  • Kansas
  • North Dakota
  • South Dakota
  • Nebraska
  • Oklahoma
  • Texas
  • Utah
  • Idaho
  • Montana
  • Wyoming
  • Alaska
Those states are solidly red. Often by YUUUGE margins.
 
UNCMSinLS said:
I expect over half of the violent ones to be in jail (or dead) before the 2026 midterms. They have that toxic combo of violence and stupidity.
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Y’all do realize that we’re talking about 1,500-1,600 people out of 330 million people…….you do realize 1/3 or more don’t know shit and that 1/3 or so support the J6 terrorists.

Trump’s pardons matter to us and the MAGAts.
 
Zoo_View said:
The United States of America is much more gerrymandered today than it was in 2004 and 2006.

These states are voting GOP:
  • Florida
  • Georgia (Covid gifted GA to the Democrats in 2020)
  • South Carolina
  • North Carolina
  • Alabama
  • Mississippi
  • Tennessee
  • Kentucky
  • West Virginia
  • Ohio
  • Maine’s 2nd District
  • Indiana
  • Louisiana
  • Arkansas
  • Missouri
  • Iowa
  • Kansas
  • North Dakota
  • South Dakota
  • Nebraska
  • Oklahoma
  • Texas
  • Utah
  • Idaho
  • Montana
  • Wyoming
  • Alaska
Those states are solidly red. Often by YUUUGE margins.
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True dat. Working on Michigan , Pennsylvania and New Jersey… and maybe California.
 
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