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Tar1978Heel said:
Biden 1st year wouldn’t that be credit to Trump…Trump’s 1st year all credit was given to BO…
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Regarding jobs? Yes, in a sense I think the results in Biden’s first year could be credited to Trump as most of those jobs were refilling positions that were lost during Trump’s final year.

Reminder though, your post talked about the jobs lost after Biden took office. Simply false.
 
fssheels said:
Basically she went the way of Bud Light. Go woke go broke. Picking Walz over Shapiro was a huge mistake and indicative of her true positions as a candidate.
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When Tim Walz is the bad guy in your narrative, you might as well tattoo on your forehead "I am a stupid and terrible person."

And thank you for confirming what this election was all about. It wasn't about helping the working classes. It was about cultural issues that do not affect anyone's lives but function as an outlet for their rage.

I consider it highly like that the wife-beating demographic broke strongly for Trump.
 
heelinhell said:
Yeah, Kamala courted all Americans...working class, middle class, republicans, young voters, elderly voters, women voters, minority group voters... The only groups she did not court were corporations and the 1%ers

How did that turn out for her ?
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So the most liberal person to ever run for president tried to court republicans? How did she do that? Apparently I missed that.
 
superrific said:
When Tim Walz is the bad guy in your narrative, you might as well tattoo on your forehead "I am a stupid and terrible person."

And thank you for confirming what this election was all about. It wasn't about helping the working classes. It was about cultural issues that do not affect anyone's lives but function as an outlet for their rage.

I consider it highly like that the wife-beating demographic broke strongly for Trump.
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I never said walz was a bad guy. He was just the wrong guy. Her own campaign is saying it. She needed a moderate to balance out her past California liberal ideology. When she picked Walz no one believed her shift to moderate policies.
 
fssheels said:
Yes, but they read through her bs, she flopped on so many issues, ran competing ads on Israel trying to have it both ways. Basically she went the way of Bud Light. Go woke go broke. Picking Walz over Shapiro was a huge mistake and indicative of her true positions as a candidate.
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Walz was the opposite an issue in this campaign. She lost every swing state. Shapiro wouldn’t have made a lick of difference.

The policies that Walz has presided over as governor are universally popular and good for working people. They’re the exact kind of policies Democrats need to focus on in their national messaging.

Shapiro can’t even bring himself to support public schools.
 
Callatoroy said:
So the most liberal person to ever run for president tried to court republicans? How did she do that? Apparently I missed that.
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Apparently. It's the most liberal woman. McGovern was much more liberal, especially for the time. But, of course, that doesn't matter to you. It's not your real point.
 
Paine said:
Walz was the opposite an issue in this campaign. She lost every swing state. Shapiro wouldn’t have made a lick of difference.

The policies that Walz has presided over as governor are universally popular and good for working people. They’re the exact kind of policies Democrats need to focus on in their national messaging.

Shapiro can’t even bring himself to support public schools.
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You don’t think they win PA with Shapiro? And I’m guessing Shapiro would have fared better in debate vs Vance. Harris campaign staffers are openly saying the Walz pick was a mistake.
 
finesse said:
Apparently. It's the most liberal woman. McGovern was much more liberal, especially for the time. But, of course, that doesn't matter to you. It's not your real point.
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That’s interesting. Curious as to how you would compare the degree of liberalness given the different times in history.
 
fssheels said:
You don’t think they win PA with Shapiro? And I’m guessing Shapiro would have fared better in debate vs Vance. Harris campaign staffers are openly saying the Walz pick was a mistake.
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1. No, they would not have won PA with Shapiro. And what does it matter, since she also lost MI and WI?
2. VPs don't make a difference. Vance was a way worse candidate.
3. I don't care what Harris campaign staffers are saying right now. The knives all come out after the election.
 
Callatoroy said:
Stupid is living in a place you don’t like.
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I’m not trying to speak for AGDevil, but they may, like me, live here for unselfish reasons. Maybe they are here to take care of their parents as they age, or their partner has a particular tie to the area, or they have kids and don’t think it’s fair to uproot their kids and move them to a different country with a different language. I know it’s hard for a Trumper to imagine anything except caring about only yourself, but some others do
 
fssheels said:
You don’t think they win PA with Shapiro? And I’m guessing Shapiro would have fared better in debate vs Vance. Harris campaign staffers are openly saying the Walz pick was a mistake.
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Harris campaign staffers are looking for anyone to blame but themselves. No, I don’t think Shapiro wins them Pennsylvania. Look at the margin. VPs don’t appreciably help win their states.

Harris ran on very few of Walz policies. She ran a moderate campaign. She ran a pro-Israel campaign. She said she was pro-fracking.

If people saw her as a flip flopper because of this, Shapiro isn’t fixing that.
 
Paine said:
I love Bernie, as y’all know, but I largely agree with the points a lot of posters here make about identifying as a socialist when trying to win national, and local as well in many cases, office. I think a lot of average Americans and working class folks like progressive and even socialist policy when asked about specifics. The label mucks it up.

The good thing is, we have a deep bench of Democratic candidates who I think are well positioned to run as progressive populists while not not being affiliated with socialism: Andy Beshear, Gretchen Whitmer, Tim Walz, and J.B. Pritzker all have solid, progressive bonafides and could credibly run as populists.

The competition in 2028 is going to be between these kind of candidates and the more centrist candidates like Buttigieg, Shapiro, and Newsom.
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Newsome is a centrist? Seriously?
 
Paine said:
Harris campaign staffers are looking for anyone to blame but themselves. No, I don’t think Shapiro wins them Pennsylvania. Look at the margin. VPs don’t appreciably help win their states.

Harris ran on very few of Walz policies. She ran a moderate campaign. She ran a pro-Israel campaign. She said she was pro-fracking.

If people saw her as a flip flopper because of this, Shapiro isn’t fixing that.
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Ultimately I agree with you. Harris was just an awful candidate.
 
fssheels said:
I never said walz was a bad guy. He was just the wrong guy. Her own campaign is saying it. She needed a moderate to balance out her past California liberal ideology. When she picked Walz no one believed her shift to moderate policies.
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I wonder if she went with Cooper or Kelly does it help her? Hard to know. Walz was a a bit strange I thought.
 
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