OFFICIAL ELECTION RESULTS - POTUS | TRUMP ELECTED 47th President

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Callatoroy said:
First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.
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you’re a fucking idiot
 
Callatoroy said:
First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.
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Trump abandoned both Syria and Afghanistan...making a deal with the Taliban for PROFIT. Trump weakened NATO and Putin underestimated their resolve.


The M.E has been having frequent wars and terrorism since 1947 including during Trump.

Putin was at war in Ukraine - since 2014 and invaded Georgia in 2009.
 
Callatoroy said:
First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.
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Boy are you out it on the Foreign policy issues Do you like NATO?
 
Paine said:
I mean, it was when you consider that it’s the same group of swing voters that swings every cycle. The hardcore racists voted Republican like they always have. Educated liberals voted Dem. It’s the others outside of those two bubbles that swing the election.
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This is true
 
Mulberry Heel said:
Yep. With the GOP securing a solid Senate majority and likely keeping the House, a national abortion ban is definitely on the table, as are attacks on contraception, IVF, and other items. But when you vote for Trump and a Republican Congress this is what was going to happen, so it is apparently what most voters (including white women) wanted.
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They will 100% try to out crazy each other. They have 2 years of unfettered governance ahead, who will be the sane voice in the room? Certainly not Trump.
 
farce© said:
Democrats keep allowing Republicans to bait them into defending stupid non-issues like trans men playing women's sports, or sex change surgery for trans prisoners. What did Trump say yesterday when asked how he voted on the Florida abortion bill? He said "stop talking about that," and ignored the question.

Democrats need to answer questions about stupid culture war issues with "that's ridiculous, the American people are concerned about kitchen table issues and that is the focus of our campaign." Just do not get drawn into fabricated culture war issues. If you see some bullshit is getting traction as the case of the trans prisoner surgeries, you simply say "the Biden Administration followed the exact same policy that the Trump administration did.....why aren't you asking Trump about this?" and move on.
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The problem is that the rules are different for dems.
 
Paine said:
I mean, it was when you consider that it’s the same group of swing voters that swings every cycle. The hardcore racists voted Republican like they always have. Educated liberals voted Dem. It’s the others outside of those two bubbles that swing the election.
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This wasn't a play for margins. Voters just didn't show up for KH.

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Just my opinion but think for the most part, Dems look through a lense of empathy. How can we make America a better place and more inclusive and prosperous for all. Pubs* look through a lense of self pity and hate. How can America make my personal place better instead of that person over there. And of course less taxes regardless of who gets F’ed over to make that happen.

* no longer differentiate Pubs from MAGA. They’re the same. Trump doesn’t get elected with MAGA alone.
 
Paine said:
That’s exactly what I’m suggesting.

People want to be spoken plainly to and be told that their problems are real. Not told that the economy is good, actually. It feels like liberals are always speaking down to people.
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So, lie to them, but with the Clintonesque “feel your pain” schtick?
 
DiehardHeelFan said:
Just my opinion but think for the most part, Dems look through a lense of empathy. How can we make America a better place and more inclusive and prosperous for all. Pubs* look through a lense of self pity and hate. How can America make my personal place better instead of that person over there. And of course less taxes regardless of who gets F’ed over to make that happen.

* no longer differentiate Pubs from MAGA. They’re the same. Trump doesn’t get elected with MAGA alone.
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Totally agree
 
CallMeTyler said:
The country pretty clearly chose conservative policy over progress. Are you suggesting that Bernie's ability to speak plainly would've overcome the headwinds facing KH? It's an interesting proposition.
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Pure conjecture, but I also actually do think there is something to that.

Whether you agreed with him or not, Bernie knew exactly what he wanted to do policy wise and was very concise in explaining how he was going to do it and why he believed it was a good thing. Hard to put a finger on it in one post, but he just felt very authentic.

I think part of why Kamala didn’t resonate with enough voters can be attributed to simple misogyny and/or racism. At the end of the day, Americans just don’t have the pallet for a woman, and especially a woman of color, to be president. I also think she is perceived by a lot of people as corny/inauthentic/out of touch/however you want to phrase it, especially by younger people. I’m not saying that that’s fair or correct, I just think that’s how a lot of people see her.
 
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CallMeTyler said:
This wasn't a play for margins. Voters just didn't show up for KH.

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A lot of blue state voters didn't show up right? It seems like states like NJ are missing 600k Dem voters, in states assumed she'd win.

Wasn't there record turnout for the swing states still?
 
Peppers49 said:
Pure conjecture, but I also actually do think there is something to that.

Whether you agreed with him or not, Bernie knew exactly what he wanted to do policy wise and was very concise in explaining how he was going to do it and why he believed it was a good thing.

I think part of why Kamala didn’t resonate with enough voters can be attributed to simply misogyny and/or racism. I also think she is perceived by a lot of people as corny/inauthentic/out of touch/however you want to phrase, especially by younger people. I’m not saying that that’s fair or correct, I just think that’s how a lot of people see her.
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That's exactly how many voters, especially young voters, saw her. In fact, the 'word salad' critique surfaced on multiple occasions. "We don't really know what her policies are and how they'll actually help me.".

Pretty well captured in this episode. You can witness the dismissal of what's a very strong attempt by Pete to engage these undecided voters.

 
Callatoroy said:
First, eff you on your racism, xenophobia, and misogyny excuses because you are blind, lazy, and ignorant as to why you lost.

Guarantee you trump has a greater grasp on foreign policy than harris or brandon has. No Ukraine or war in Middle East during trump 1.0. You may not agree with his foreign policy decisions then but his grasp seemed firm enough to keep the world from falling apart.
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Sure if you don't count the 45 combat deaths in Afghanistan or the missile attacks on Syria and such. But, that's fairly honest for your ilk.
 
This is pretty much how the race would have gone in 2020 but for COVID. A lot of people who voted against Trump for that single reason were very disappointed in Biden’s handling of the pandemic — he couldn’t just make it go away and people were frustrated when the fight over masks and public events and schools extended well beyond the availability of the vaccine.

When we when to the Sweet Sixteen in Philadelphia in 2022, I was stunned that the City was just tentatively emerging from COVID restrictions. People seemed freaked to mingle in restaurants, many of which were operating at half capacity with about a quarter of staffing. You want an explanation for the red shift in Blue States? That’s it.

We’ve memory-holed the pandemic but I’ve thought the last few years that the frustration and outrage about inflation has always been about more than the economic impact. A lot of people most outraged about it actually did better financially the last four years.

But in my opinion the inflation thing is also a stand-in for the thing no one wants to talk about anymore — the pandemic. Inflation was an obvious, lingering and unavoidable daily reminder of something everyone has been trying to forget. Electing Trump probably felt like resetting to January 2020, before everything else that followed. Start over where we were.

I don’t think the Dems had a candidate, make or female, who was going to overcome that, but when Harris made the wouldn’t change a thing gaffe she cemented her perceived culpability for the thing no one wants to talk about.
 
We also assumed young voters would be repulsed by Trump, but they have turned 16-20 years old during Biden term. These voters were 12 years old when Trump came around and they don't know what it was like.
 
superrific said:
What do 2016 and 2024 have in common? A woman candidate.
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Maybe, or maybe/also a democrat sitting as president and two highly unelectable democratic candidates.

How did Kamala do in the primaries a few years ago?

She was the only option, since Biden waited so long to step aside. She was not the best, or even great, option.
 
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